@the-gipper said:

Another story says that the other 30% would be sold 4 years after closing date...but I could not find confirmation that the sale of the 30% went through.

Lerner will sell 70 percent of the Browns to Haslam now, with the other 30 percent reverting to him four years after the closing date, a person with knowledge of the sale told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because details have not officially been announced.

So...that mean possibly that the balance of ownership was transferred to Halsam no later than last summer (2016).

Also.  Lerner did sell his Premier League soccer team...which I guess was losing money hand over fist:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/18/aston-villa-randy-lerner-close-selling-club-china

Sounds about like I remember it happening. Randy kept some a few years and bowed out. Who knows, he may have sold it off when the FBI got involved with the Haslam finances.  I did notice a Freeman as VP of football operations too. Wonder if he's related to "Stick"? ..lol

Lerner will sell 70 percent of the Browns to Haslam now, with the other 30 percent reverting to him four years after the closing date, a person with knowledge of the sale told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because details have not officially been announced.

So...that mean possibly that the balance of ownership was transferred to Halsam no later than last summer (2016).

Also.  Lerner did sell his Premier League soccer team...which I guess was losing money hand over fist:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/18/aston-villa-randy-lerner-close-selling-club-china

@flyingfooldoug said:

Anything else I have seen about NFL owners, they get listed as sole, or majority. It's possible someone else has a small stake but I'm pretty certain that it would be listed that way. 

This says that at the time of the sale, Randy would retain 30%.   However, JH had the option to buy him out of the rest.  Will have to check on if that happened:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/07/cleveland_browns_owner_randy_l_5.html

@mjp28 said:

Net worth might not always be very liquid.

Randy might not have ownership rights but might have other ""IOUs" of some sort held separately from the transaction. Oh the wacky world of those multi billionaires. 

Anything else I have seen about NFL owners, they get listed as sole, or majority. It's possible someone else has a small stake but I'm pretty certain that it would be listed that way. 

@flyingfooldoug said:

I only know that Jimmy has net worth of 3.7 billion as of March of this year. I don't think Randy held on to any part of the team. The only owners listed are Jim and Dee Haslam. $3,700,000,000  yep, ten figures.

Net worth might not always be very liquid.

Randy might not have ownership rights but might have other ""IOUs" of some sort held separately from the transaction. Oh the wacky world of those multi billionaires. 

@the-gipper said:

I DID forget.  Is that true.

Also, I wonder about this:   Lerner sold the team to Haslam....but what was the payment arrangement?  Jimmy may have been making payments to Randy and that debt may be far from paid off.    Just speculating....not certain.   Anyone know?

I only know that Jimmy has net worth of 3.7 billion as of March of this year. I don't think Randy held on to any part of the team. The only owners listed are Jim and Dee Haslam. $3,700,000,000  yep, ten figures.

@nickers said:

Lest we forget.. Randy Lerner , still holds a 10% share in the team . If I'm not mistaken.

I DID forget.  Is that true.

Also, I wonder about this:   Lerner sold the team to Haslam....but what was the payment arrangement?  Jimmy may have been making payments to Randy and that debt may be far from paid off.    Just speculating....not certain.   Anyone know?

@mark-o said:

Sorry dude...your math sucks.  According to Forbes magazine:

#29

Cleveland Browns

$1.95 B

That's 1.95 billion with a B.   So his $200 million would get him approximately 10% of the team.

https://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/list/#tab:overall

Lest we forget.. Randy Lerner , still holds a 10% share in the team . If I'm not mistaken.

@kvoethe said:

Your math sucks because no way the browns are worth close to 1 billion.  Jimmah overpaid.  

He could get 50 percent stake for 200 million

Sorry dude...your math sucks.  According to Forbes magazine:

#29

Cleveland Browns

$1.95 B

That's 1.95 billion with a B.   So his $200 million would get him approximately 10% of the team.

https://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/list/#tab:overall

He could get 50 percent stake for 200 million

@nero said:

https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/nba/lebron-james-net-worth/

https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/nfl/peyton-manning-net-worth/

Lebron James is $340 million net worth, whereas Peyton is $200 million

I think that is understating LeBron's worth.

@hoorta said:

If my math is right, 1% of a billion is $10 million. Lol, how much is Papa John's paying you? Peyton for sure has money, but on LeBron's level?

https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/nba/lebron-james-net-worth/

https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/nfl/peyton-manning-net-worth/

Lebron James is $340 million net worth, whereas Peyton is $200 million

@hoorta said:

If my math is right, 1% of a billion is $10 million. Lol, how much is Papa John's paying you? Peyton for sure has money, but on LeBron's level?

He probably does.  Papa John's, Nationwide, Directv....dude made a lot of money over the years playing and probably even more with all the endorsements he's got. 

@kvoethe said:

Latest rumor I heard about Manning is that he is buying an ownership stake in the Browns.

If my math is right, 1% of a billion is $10 million. Lol, how much is Papa John's paying you? Peyton for sure has money, but on LeBron's level?

@gumby73 said:

The only thing that makes any connection to me here is Haslem wants Manning's independent opinion on the right QB at top pick? Unless am missing somebody here? P. Manning would be the 1st player to not VP or GM a team not played with? Ozzie Newsome,John Elway,Reggie McKenzie,Doug Williams,Rick Spielman & John Lynch are all players that now GM their former teams?(missing anybody?) 2 former coaches, Tom Coughlin now VP at Jags. Jon Robinson now at Tenn is VP/GM..weird, strange, is both Singletary & Manning were both in C-town but that's all anybody knows..odd there's no leaks out there yet(Colts & Denver both could certainly use a P.Manning in house)

I am not sure that Rick Spielman actually ever played in the NFL.   You may be confusing him with his brother Chris....who of course was an outstanding LB at OSU and in the NFL.

Have to check...stay tuned:

Here is the info on Rick Spielman:

Spielman played linebacker at Southern Illinois University (1983–86), earning first-team All-Gateway Conference honoree as a junior. He was also part of the 1983 NCAA Division I-AA national championship team as a redshirt freshman. Upon entering the NFL, as an undrafted free agent, he was invited to training camp with the San Diego Chargers (1987) and Detroit Lions (1988), but did not make it as a professional football player.^[2]

Career in scouting[edit]

Spielman began his NFL career as a scout with Detroit in 1990 and worked with the club in college scouting for five seasons before adding pro scouting duties in 1995 and 1996. He moved to Director of Pro Personnel for the Bears from 1997 to 1999 before joining the Dolphins in 2000 as Vice President of Player Personnel. He was promoted in 2002 to Senior Vice President-Football Operations/Player Personnel and eventually General Manager in 2004. Spielman left the Dolphins during the 2005 off-season.

Spielman worked with ESPN as an NFL analyst in 2005, before joining the Minnesota Vikings.^[2]

Although I'm against hiring someone to such a lofty office who just walked off the playing field.......the other side of the coin is that this particular person would most probably favour building an offense with a passing attack as a priority.  (I would love that mindset at the top of our FO)

@mjp28 said:

Coors was a big, big deal at first especially when they started to come East people would do all kinds of exotic things do get a few cases. Now it's just another beer if you like it fine if you don't eh. I don't really care for it besides there are a ton of beers out there now especially at these beer emporiums now all kinds of domestic, imported and craft brews.

And at the time Coors had cult status here, you couldn't get it, Genny had the same kind of popularity out west. Local Brewers that hit it big.  Now it's all the microbrews. Quality beer for the masses.. Cheers!

@westside-steve said:

One thing about Coors back in the day is that they would send people out to places that sold their beer check and see if it was in the cooler or on the shelf. If it turned out to be warm on the shelf they would cut that place off. I think that's how Bob Evans used to be, only sewing to places they could deliver fresh.

WSS

Coors was a big, big deal at first especially when they started to come East people would do all kinds of exotic things do get a few cases. Now it's just another beer if you like it fine if you don't eh. I don't really care for it besides there are a ton of beers out there now especially at these beer emporiums now all kinds of domestic, imported and craft brews.

@texasag1969 said:

Diplomatico is aged 12 years in oak casks. The one I wish I could find is Diplomatico Ambassador which is aged 12 years in oak and then two additional years in Perez Ximenez Sherry casks from Spain to add a special flavor too it. Just can't find it here. But that one is about $200 so I'd rather have about 6 of the Reserva Exclusivas instead.

 did see it's available- a quick look at winesearcher.com, you got the cash- we got the booze, as I found out on my visit to Total Wine when I visited Houston to see another Brown's loss .  (they don't carry it, BTW, but I bet they'd order it for you) You have the price right Bill.   BUT- it follows the hoorta's logarithmic law of diminishing returns. Can't be 6X better than Exclusiva. Just like IMHO those guys with unlimited budgets paying over $1,000 for a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle  bourbon on the secondary market. Or triple that for Remy Louis XIII cognac. LOL, as one of my friends signs above his wine cellar says-  "No one respects age- unless it's bottled".