<![CDATA[The 'who have you watched lately?' thread.]]> Pretty straight forward - What CFB players have you specifically watched film on?  Not highlights, not lowlights... actual game replays or breakdowns.     I feel it best to condense things here as opposed to a camp or individual player thread.      

Make sure to include in your post(s)

Player, game/opponent and your opinion preferably with a video or at least a link to plays that support your assesment and what stoodout to you.  More importantly what impact and position they would possibly have with the Brownies.  Bonus points for giving an idea on where you'd draft them.    Im at work but I'll have my in later tonight.   Reseved spots in my post for.

Benkurt, QB UVA.

Allen, QB Wyoming

Mayfield, QB OU

Josh Jackson, DB Iowa  -  Watched his games vs Sparty, Minny (sadly) twice vs the Bucks.        

Came away feeling this is a kid has the raw tools, but his physical skill set isn't being matched schematically or coached technically by the Hawkeye staff.      The basics, he's 6-6'1 in cleats and I'd say 195lbs.   Good size for a CB, long arms/arms and solid athletic ability.  Especially denying the home run ball.  His hips aren't elite but they're not "you won't be able to play CB" bad either.   In fact, this is where I talk about his raw technique needing polish by his own coaches.   He tends to play high in his initial stance, turns his hips high, opens too soon and doesn't use his hands properly to get a jam when he can.    That's not to say he doesn't use his hands at all, he most certain does.   But how he lands his strikes on a receiver with how he pairs his footwork needs attention.   When he does turn to run against the vertical stuff his footwork isn't lightning fast, but it's smooth enough.    He'll mirror ok then stay even with the receiver and allow his straight line speed and height to force the QB into either a perfect throw or the WR to come up with an insane catch.      Schematically the Hawks seem to mix up their zone looks between cover 2, 3 and 6 quite often.       In the latter Phil Parker appears to tell his guys to stay on top of receivers.   There's clear bump and bail or straight bail being used intentionally.        Mark my words Iowa can be exploited on the outsides schematically.   Anywho,  in the 6, Jackson is the guy they asked to run the 1/4 on the outside most of the time.    His time there is where I gathered a lot of what I saw about him.    It's a 'keep everything in front of you' kind of defense that the Hawkeyes have grown used to for nearly 2 decades.     But I do believe Josh is capable of more in time.   

Coming away from watching him, I couldn't help but think of watching Richard Sherman and how he was deployed at Stanford.    Similar players, though Sherm might be just a tad taller,  similar schemes, responsibilities and alignments.  Players on teams that don't necessarily showcase their strengths.   Am I saying Josh is bound to be a pro-bowl CB?  No.   I'm saying I think with the right coaches and in the right style, he can something more than what he is now.         At the moment I'd have him slotted as a mid round pick.   Depending on how he looks over the next couple weeks might even place him a notch higher.     Bowl games, senior bowl, practices, combine, etc etc will weigh heavily on that.   I don't expect him to score off the charts athletically.   But being a great athlete at the position means nothing without the other makeup to go with it - (See; Gilbert, Justin)       Here's the Sparty game.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/topic/48484/the-who-have-you-watched-lately-thread.RSS for NodeThu, 01 Oct 2026 21:30:54 GMTThu, 16 Nov 2017 22:15:24 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Sat, 28 Apr 2018 00:34:34 GMT]]>

@tiamat63 said:

Moot point either way.  

That would be a "moo point". 

It's a cow's opinion - it doesn't matter. 😆

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/789214https://brownsboard.com/post/789214Sat, 28 Apr 2018 00:34:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Sat, 28 Apr 2018 00:24:21 GMT]]>

@mld-woody said:

Your evaluation was before the combine. Before the heart stuff came out. That's when you said early 2nd round

Still sitting there toward the end of the second roundStill sitting there toward the end of the second roundmaybe the Browns can nab him at number 64 whatever

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/789197https://brownsboard.com/post/789197Sat, 28 Apr 2018 00:24:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 27 Apr 2018 23:31:58 GMT]]>

@mld-woody said:

Your evaluation was before the combine. Before the heart stuff came out. That's when you said early 2nd round

Late 1st.... to Tennessee tossed in the possibility of 2nd.

However when you mentioned the heart and that he was cleared, I talked about him dropping anyway because that will still be in the back of GM's minds.

edit: Moot point either way.   If his name keeps slipping he could be there in the 3rd.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/789126https://brownsboard.com/post/789126Fri, 27 Apr 2018 23:31:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 27 Apr 2018 23:23:13 GMT]]> Your evaluation was before the combine. Before the heart stuff came out. That's when you said early 2nd round

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/789117https://brownsboard.com/post/789117Fri, 27 Apr 2018 23:23:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:39:00 GMT]]>

@mld-woody said:

Well it sounds like he dropped because of medical concerns. Though multiple doctors have cleared him. I wonder if some teams got a little concerned and then that rippled through the league. 

Odd...  almost like somebody here may have said something along those lines a couple weeks ago.

_gif__no_echo_por_mi__by_ourdreamscometr

edit:  Just busting your balls.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/789097https://brownsboard.com/post/789097Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:39:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:33:29 GMT]]>

@tiamat63 said:

Unless the med report was waaaaaaaay Shmucked up, he's going to be picked tonight.  

Well it sounds like he dropped because of medical concerns. Though multiple doctors have cleared him. I wonder if some teams got a little concerned and then that rippled through the league. 

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/789096https://brownsboard.com/post/789096Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:33:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:30:43 GMT]]>

@mld-woody said:

We don't know where Mo will ultimately fall too. And we don't even know if teams are correct

Unless the med report was waaaaaaaay Shmucked up, he's going to be picked tonight.  

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/789095https://brownsboard.com/post/789095Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:30:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:29:36 GMT]]> We don't know where Mo will ultimately fall too. And we don't even know if teams are correct

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/789093https://brownsboard.com/post/789093Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:29:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 27 Apr 2018 21:45:43 GMT]]>

@tour2ma said:

Totally agree on Wilson...

Think he can be Brees, but it'll take time and is not guaranteed.

Agree to disagree on that.  He has done things a certain way his whole life and it has been tailored to fit the current college offense.  Changing that would take a minor miracle. 

Oh, Paging Dr. Woody...  Mo Hurst fell where I said he would.  

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/789076https://brownsboard.com/post/789076Fri, 27 Apr 2018 21:45:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:42:46 GMT]]>

@tiamat63 said:

I don't have to look off field to be repelled by Mayfield.

He isn't Wilson and he sure as Sheet isn't Breesy.   Any of those comparisons are misleading at best.  

Totally agree on Wilson...

Think he can be Brees, but it'll take time and is not guaranteed.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/788286https://brownsboard.com/post/788286Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:42:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:05:32 GMT]]>

@tour2ma said:

And now Mayfield is emerging...

Man... I just spent yesterday getting comfortable with Darnold and was repelled by a couple recent Mayfield interviews.

I've got to work on my timing...

I don't have to look off field to be repelled by Mayfield.

He isn't Wilson and he sure as Sheet isn't Breesy.   Any of those comparisons are misleading at best.  

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/788231https://brownsboard.com/post/788231Thu, 26 Apr 2018 17:05:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:41:30 GMT]]> And now Mayfield is emerging...

Man... I just spent yesterday getting comfortable with Darnold and was repelled by a couple recent Mayfield interviews.

I've got to work on my timing...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/788221https://brownsboard.com/post/788221Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:41:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:48:52 GMT]]>

@tour2ma said:

Actually helped my Darnold acceptance factor...

I'm on the fence.   If Dorsey is dead set on not taking Rosen then so be it.  After all, it's his job on the line.  

Darnold seems like the only pick of the "top 4" I wouldn't hate being a Browns fan about.  Seems like a decent kid.  Has the physical traits, has the arm and when he feet are set, has shown some good velocity and accuracy.  Also can throw a decent ball while on the move.       Mentally?  I swear I see Grossman at times.     He'll thread the needle one play and the next stare down his primary.      As you said, he has been successful at times despite being flawed. 

But there have been a couple flashes that at least make me pause and say "Ok, let me take another look".  Did it with Allen just to confirm what I already knew.   Did it with Mayfield and to a lesser extent Lamar for the same reasons.

Still not opposed to the 2 QB strategy and taking Benkert later 😁

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/788195https://brownsboard.com/post/788195Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:48:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:28:49 GMT]]>

@tiamat63 said:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/dan-orlovsky-2018-nfl-draft-class-quarterback-breakdown

Dan Orlovsky saw the same thing I did with the Boise State play and highlights same stuff 

Actually helped my Darnold acceptance factor...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/788187https://brownsboard.com/post/788187Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:28:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:41:29 GMT]]> https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/dan-orlovsky-2018-nfl-draft-class-quarterback-breakdown

Dan Orlovsky saw the same thing I did with the Boise State play and highlights same stuff 

edit:  Re: Allen

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/788107https://brownsboard.com/post/788107Thu, 26 Apr 2018 15:41:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:44:54 GMT]]>

@texasag1969 said:

Oh please don't finish that song. It'll go to his head.😉

Better to be in his head than go to his head:

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/785321https://brownsboard.com/post/785321Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:44:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:42:39 GMT]]>

@tour2ma said:

But will he know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall?

Maybe he is actually growing something else,  because he'd love to turn us on.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/785320https://brownsboard.com/post/785320Fri, 13 Apr 2018 15:42:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:02:07 GMT]]>

@tour2ma said:

But will he know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall?

Oh please don't finish that song. It'll go to his head.😉

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/785287https://brownsboard.com/post/785287Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:02:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 13:10:18 GMT]]> But will he know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall?

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/785277https://brownsboard.com/post/785277Fri, 13 Apr 2018 13:10:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Fri, 13 Apr 2018 00:49:02 GMT]]> He's got 500 tomato plants to get in the ground. Got to take a couple days or so. That's a lot of holes to dig.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/785214https://brownsboard.com/post/785214Fri, 13 Apr 2018 00:49:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:16:56 GMT]]>

@tiamat63 said:

Waiting on Cal's input here...

He is planting  tomaters....or potaters.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/785151https://brownsboard.com/post/785151Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:16:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:12:24 GMT]]> Waiting on Cal's input here...

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/785150https://brownsboard.com/post/785150Thu, 12 Apr 2018 20:12:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:55:06 GMT]]> Another great example (or terrible depending on how you phrase it) is @ 4:20 in that same game about understanding what he see's post snap.

Initial look you have what appears to be a 0- man pressure the whole way.   It's a nice move by the Broncos but it isn't like it's disguised so well like you can't see what is happening after the ball is in play.   In this instance, as a QB,  should this be a 6 man pressure and that both backers are coming at me, the OLB is unblocked thus is the one you're responsible for reading and throwing hot. That has to be in the back of your mind.   Oline is going to worry about bottling up the interior stuff first and making the guy farthest outside get to your QB.

So you know have man across the board - a trend that Boise State had shown all game and you get a double move with your boundary #2 who gets matched on a safety.   This is purely by design and great work done by the coaching staff to attack man coverage.    The big responsibilities JA has here is 1 - identifying pressure...  gotta make sure you have time to push the ball vertical;  and 2 - identifying where the safety is should the backers not attack.   You cannot float this ball up without the latter most especially, you simply cannot do it. 

The MIKE is sitting hard in the A gap so I'm really not too worried about him affecting where the vertical threat will go.  I still see man the whole way. Just need to know if he's shooting a gap.   At the snap the OLB fly's to the field side #2 and the FS covering him rotates hard to center field, the MIKE immediately backs out and plays a middle field read.    Granted seeing Boise St. defenders is a bitch on that turf - their unis and the field color are a gimmick that the NCAA simply shouldn't allow, but I digress.  To their credit it's a good design and a great bait drawn up by the Boise coaches.    But Allen's eyes again, NEVER leave his man.  They don't look for a defender, they don't even check the interior or possible edge pressure.    Cherry on top, you pump fake at your intended target and you STILL haven't checked the safety.      Even then without the safety it's a ball that never would have been completed because it sailed on him but there is that issue rearing it's head again - when JA misses, he misses high.     

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/785089https://brownsboard.com/post/785089Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:55:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The 'who have you watched lately?' thread. on Wed, 11 Apr 2018 16:03:38 GMT]]> Agree.... for me it boils down to field vision. That was the hurdle Kizer ran up against and could not clear.

What tia describes cannot be taken in piecemeal and certainly cannot be complete if a QB only looks at his receivers. A QB has to take in blocks of info... areas of the field.... multiple targets and defenders (and their relationships to each other) in a glance.

In this draft only one of the top QBs displays field vision with any regularity.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/784816https://brownsboard.com/post/784816Wed, 11 Apr 2018 16:03:38 GMT