@medicineman said:

I just think it is bs tht refs can pick and choose on when and what to call. They control the game and the never call the other team for those hits or even PI 

I know, look how many time they fined Harrison and yet didn't call the penalty too.  Goodells gay league.

@flyingfooldoug said:

Even without a penalty called at all or on the other team, Peppers gets fined. They do it all the time regardless of penalty being issued or not. It's the rule now.

I just think it is bs tht refs can pick and choose on when and what to call. They control the game and the never call the other team for those hits or even PI 

On DB Jabrill Peppers’ unnecessary roughness penalty and fine from the NFL:

“You want the published take or you want the unpublished take? Ah, there we go. I know you guys have my back. I know, I know (laughter). Here is the deal: when you break the film down and you take it in slow motion, I am very proud of Jabrill paying attention to what we coach on strike zone. He is doing everything he can, just like Major League Baseball, to make sure it is from the tip of the shoulders to the top of the knees. He is actually ducking down to make sure he is underneath the shoulder/collarbone to make sure that when he hits him if the head comes down, the head will come down and that will strike maybe a part of his body, but he is leading with his shoulder; he is not even leading with his helmet.

It is unfortunate, but one of the things that I really want you to take a look at – again for people wondering why I play him in the post and his instincts right now as we are growing as a team – he broke on the ball and made that play when the ball was thrown 35 yards from the line of scrimmage. There has only been one other player that I have coached that did it in 34 and that was Sean Taylor. Most of the times, you see guys making that play at 38 and 39, if they are any good. If you can’t do that at 40 yards about being at the point of attack at 40 yards from a post-middle of the field safety, then you don’t belong in the National Football League.

I have had to cut players when we see that analytic on you can’t get there on time. It is 42, 44, 45 yards. Mom and Dad didn’t give you enough speed to get over there. He made that play on contact on trying to break it up at 35 yards. That is with slowing down to try to make sure that he was in the strike zone. It is what it is. I know he has appealed it, and we will see where it goes from there, but I thought it was a rare play and I thought it was an outstanding play.

Never, ever do we want it to hurt our team and put them in field position the way they did, but now when that happens again, we have to get off the field and force them into a third down. We can’t be worried or can’t be thinking about that play too long and let it affect the next play. It affected the next play or two. That is what I really don’t like either.”

@tour2ma said:

Most are still ignoring Note 1... including the league. I still see the force of the blow being delivered shoulder to ribs with glancing incidental contact to the bottom of the facemask.

But Peppers got a fine, not an apology, so I was wrong. And Peppers' weird appeal while saying the call was correct(?) yet should be reviewed for targeting at the time as it is in college, is just... well... weird.

That's the thing though. Incidental is bad now. It's pretty much any helmet to helmet contact and you're looking at a fine. Gooddell's way of gaying things up I guess. 

@dawgs89 said:

If my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.

Or....she would be a squirrel.  And what would that make you?

@dutch-oven said:

You want to eliminate people leading with their helmets?

Take the facemasks off.

That might not work for the hits with the crown.

Better yet:  do like rugby:  take the helmets off.

@dutch-oven said:

A few thoughts on this:

1. While not blatant, his helmet went into his chin. By the letter of the law, it should have been called a penalty.

2. If the Browns/Peppers hadn't gotten a penalty on that play, and it was deemed just an incomplete pass, it would have been the Bengals who would have been screwed on that play because of the obvious pass interference that the refs missed. He caught the ball one-handed because our corner had hold of the Bengals receivers other arm.

If my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.

@medicineman said:

This team did not quit yesterday.If it was not for a bullsjit call things mite have ended different. They would never call that bs on Pisspuke.. 

If the best thing we can say about a bunch of millionaires is they didn't "quit"..well we got problems. 

Every team tries to win. I'm sure the coaches and front office want to win. They're just an awful organization from top to bottom. The players aren't good enough.

But Peppers got a fine, not an apology, so I was wrong. And Peppers' weird appeal while saying the call was correct(?) yet should be reviewed for targeting at the time as it is in college, is just... well... weird.

@dutch-oven said:

A few thoughts on this:

1. While not blatant, his helmet went into his chin. By the letter of the law, it should have been called a penalty.

2. If the Browns/Peppers hadn't gotten a penalty on that play, and it was deemed just an incomplete pass, it would have been the Bengals who would have been screwed on that play because of the obvious pass interference that the refs missed. He caught the ball one-handed because our corner had hold of the Bengals receivers other arm.

Even without a penalty called at all or on the other team, Peppers gets fined. They do it all the time regardless of penalty being issued or not. It's the rule now.

@mark-o said:

I saw this as well...and saw it in the pics that Tour posted.  That makes my issue with what penalty was called.  It wasn't for a hit to the head...it was for a defenseless receiver, which begs the question, how many steps after a catch does a player have to make before he's not defenseless anymore?

It really doesn't matter if a penalty is called or not. The league levels these fines all the time....with or without a penalty called. But the fact that the crown of peppers helmet hit the other guys chin, the NFL fines it. That's the rule.

@jcam222 said:

Perhaps there were to many words in Tours explanation for you to comprehend? Hell man he even gave you pictures!! SMH , It was a good CLEAN. hard hit. 

Not within the rules. Read it and weep. Perhaps there are e too many zeros in the fine for you to comprehend.

@jcam222 said:

Perhaps there were to many words in Tours explanation for you to comprehend? Hell man he even gave you pictures!! SMH , It was a good CLEAN. hard hit. 

You could be right but the leagues saw it otherwise. They fined him $24,000 for that clean hit to the head. I don't agree with it but I did read the rule and those pics just enforce it. And they fined the guy.

@flyingfooldoug said:

The crown of his helmet hit the guys chin. Peppers gonna get a fine.

Perhaps there were to many words in Tours explanation for you to comprehend? Hell man he even gave you pictures!! SMH , It was a good CLEAN. hard hit. 

@poeticg said:

Typical solution for a typical mind. 

But you are the joke of this board... Isn't that weird?

@dutch-oven said:

You want to eliminate people leading with their helmets?

Take the facemasks off.

Typical solution for a typical mind. 

Take the facemasks off.

@mark-o said:

I saw this as well...and saw it in the pics that Tour posted.  That makes my issue with what penalty was called.  It wasn't for a hit to the head...it was for a defenseless receiver, which begs the question, how many steps after a catch does a player have to make before he's not defenseless anymore?

My question is, if the NFL is so concerned about hits to the helmet, why are RB’s & WR’s permitted to drop their head and lead with their helmet? The rules seem one sided.

@dutch-oven said:

A few thoughts on this:

1. While not blatant, his helmet went into his chin. By the letter of the law, it should have been called a penalty.

I saw this as well...and saw it in the pics that Tour posted.  That makes my issue with what penalty was called.  It wasn't for a hit to the head...it was for a defenseless receiver, which begs the question, how many steps after a catch does a player have to make before he's not defenseless anymore?

1. While not blatant, his helmet went into his chin. By the letter of the law, it should have been called a penalty.

2. If the Browns/Peppers hadn't gotten a penalty on that play, and it was deemed just an incomplete pass, it would have been the Bengals who would have been screwed on that play because of the obvious pass interference that the refs missed. He caught the ball one-handed because our corner had hold of the Bengals receivers other arm.

@tour2ma said:

Sure it did...

Care to make it interesting?

Which means it should have been a completed pass and fumble OB... I think... but who knows anymore.

It sucks but he got fined $24,000

@flyingfooldoug said:

The rule states that you can't hit a player in the head chin or face with the crown of your helmet. Regardless if it was the initial hit or not.

lol... This after I pointed out the importance of Note 1?

@medicineman said:

Well the refs who were working the Green Bay Pisspuke game must not know that when T.J Watt hit the qb leading with his helmet hitting him in the helmet a sure as fuk helmet to helmet but NO CALL Because it is Pisspuke. Any more the wwe is the same as the nfl. The refs see what they want. Pisspuke is getting another ring this year to honor the Rooney tat kicked the bucket. 

I think the point there was that Hundley had become a runner and thus, by the rule, lost his "protection".

But even were this not the case I hate seeing any call on the D when the offensive player ducks into the helmet to helmet hit. Case in point was a "defenseless receiver" hit on Cooper in the OAK/DNV game. Cooper had lowered his head to waist level and was leading with his helmet leaving nothing left to hit.

Bottom line: The refs need help with these bang-bang play, judgement calls, i.e., replay.

Remember when there was a 5-yd, "accidental" facemask call in the rules? It was deemed to be too tough on the Refs to call vs. the 15-yd intentional variety. lol... It was child's play compared to many of these hits.

@hoorta said:

That was the only thing in the game that upset me Mark. Total BS call. As others have said- we're not getting the calls (or no-calls) because we suck. 

which means the NFL refs are corrupt. I think they screw with the Browns, knowing goodhell hates us for demanding

our team back. look at how we started - not at all like the two later expansion teams did. and on and on it goes...

and draft mistakes never helped. and why would any top FA go to a team that doesn't even get fair calls from referrees?

and on and on it goes.

" I cheated customers and I did it well."

And I bet he could run a football team as good as Stosh and co. I know I could.