@mark-o said:

Why would Kyle Shanahan leave being a HC in San Francisco to be the OC here?  

The same reason Sean Payton would leave the Saints, he won't 

@mark-o said:

That's what we are talking about.   But apparently since it's once in the last million years, we should still try to bring in a coach who has already won somewhere else because it could happen again.

I don't have a problem bringing in a guy that has won a Super Bowl.   It cannot be worse than the detritus that we have had for the last whatever years since 1999. 

But, if you can bring in somebody that is super...but who has not won before, great.

But shite.....we all thought we had that guy here 2 years ago when HJ came in.

Let's put it this way....the ONE thing that has NOT been tried by this team these last 18-20 years was to bring in a PROVEN, championship winning coach.    Not Palmer, Davis, Crennel, Shurmur, Pettine, Mangini, Chudzinski....Jackson.

WTF...I am willing to give it a try:

Payton, Cowher, Dungy, Gruden, Parcells, Kubiak, Coughlin, Cowher.    Bring in Brian freeking Billick.  Mike Shanahan.  Jimmy Johnson, Barry Switzer. Joe Gibbs, Mike Ditka, George Seifert.   Any one of them that is still breathing....Don Shula...Tom Flores, John Madden.  WTF.

OK, some guys are dead.  We can cross their names off the list.  (Lombardi, Noll, Landry, Walsh, Stram.

EFFING Hell....bring back Holmgren.....as a Coach only!

@the-gipper said:

Or are we saying has any coach ever won a title with one team then also won later with another.

As I think I noted above.....only Weeb Ewbank has ever done this.

But, Parcells, Holmgren had a chance.

That's what we are talking about.   But apparently since it's once in the last million years, we should still try to bring in a coach who has already won somewhere else because it could happen again.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21665997/new-york-giants-fire-coach-ben-mcadoo-two-seasons

This means that the Giants will get a head start on getting a good coach.

What are the Browns waiting for?  McAdoo took over the same time as Hue.  He ended up 13-15.    Hue is 1-27 no?

@mark-o said:

The facts and stats that only one coach has done it support my opinion that its not the best way to go when looking for a new head coach. 

Or are we saying has any coach ever won a title with one team then also won later with another.

As I think I noted above.....only Weeb Ewbank has ever done this.

But, Parcells, Holmgren had a chance.

@mark-o said:

Facts are not opinion.  Its happened only one time in NFL history.   That is a fact. 

Wait...what are we arguing about here?  Whether or not any team has ever gone from  being completely out of the playoffs one year to winning the SB the next?

I know of at least 2 times it has happened, fairly recently:    1999 Rams went from 4-12 to Super Bowl winner the next year.

2001 Patriots went from 5-11 to Super Bowl winner the next year.

There may have been others in the past.

But if this is not what you are talking about...well...at least you now have this data.

@mark-o said:

Why would Kyle Shanahan leave being a HC in San Francisco to be the OC here?  

The same Kyle Shanahan who came up with a power point presentation to get out of his contract with the Browns because they were such a dysfunctional mess when he was an OC under Pettine?

@baconhound said:

Would love Sean Payton but isn't going to happen but if we are chatting with Santa I'll settle for Dan Quinn with Kyle Shananahan as OC.

Why would Kyle Shanahan leave being a HC in San Francisco to be the OC here?  

I never liked Hue, and when he finally does gets canned, (Can you envision any scenario where he doesn't get fired?), I have absolutely no fire for coming in here and doing the " I told you" dance.

For the first time since I have been a Browns fan, I feel sorry for the team. Hue is so clueless and unimaginative it is beyond reason. How do you let this guy keep coming to work? For the love of God, even if only as a gesture to say, " I do not want this future for my Browns", how does Haslam not fire this coxucker?

What has happened to the Browns is inexcusable. Haslam should be ashamed of himself. He really should be.

0 - 16 parade? WTF? How about a SELL THE TEAM HASLAM parade? Seriously, Fukc Haslam.

@mark-o said:

Facts are not opinion.  Its happened only one time in NFL history.   That is a fact. 

Yes that is. You assuming it'll never happen again is an opinion. 

@alkid3 said:

Again in your opinion. Browns need to get wins before thinking super bowl. And then playoffs before super bowl we can't just rule this out because it's highly unlikely. 

Facts are not opinion.  Its happened only one time in NFL history.   That is a fact. 

@mark-o said:

The facts and stats that only one coach has done it support my opinion that its not the best way to go when looking for a new head coach. 

Again in your opinion. Browns need to get wins before thinking super bowl. And then playoffs before super bowl we can't just rule this out because it's highly unlikely. 

@alkid3 said:

In your opinion

The facts and stats that only one coach has done it support my opinion that its not the best way to go when looking for a new head coach. 

@mark-o said:

Different situation entirely.   Sure I'd take Brees or Rodgers or Brady or hell..Eli Manning at this point.   Franchise QB's don't switch teams after they've won a super bowl.  It just doesn't happen and if it does, it's when the career is pretty much over.  Peyton being the exception, but his career was pretty much toast when the Broncos signed him and he played well enough not to lose games and the defense carried the team.  

Coaches leave to go other places and the teams and fans think they're bringing in a super bowl winner because he's done it before somewhere else but it doesn't work out that way.  The hunger isn't there as much to do it the 2nd time.

In your opinion

@mjp28 said:

I don't remember that but I remember graduating with my MBA in 1985 from YSU in 1986 Tressel came to YSU and had them in the playoffs in 1987 one year after Sean had his great year in 1986 in the 1-AA playoffs. 

All the same.. I wouldn't mind having him as HC with certain.. I hate to use the word restrictions... As guess cautionary leeway if that makes any sense and provided things went well.. you give him everything he want's.. by the same token.. You can't really hand cuff him too much... If his system is gonna be successful... Time will tell I suppose.. We haven't crossed that bridge yet...

@nickers said:

It's kind of funny.. didn't he spend a part of his childhood down south for a few years?.. I remember seeing a special about him... I couldve sworn he was all southern at one time..

I don't remember that but I remember graduating with my MBA in 1985 from YSU in 1986 Tressel came to YSU and had them in the playoffs in 1987 one year after Sean had his great year in 1986 in the 1-AA playoffs. 

@mjp28 said:

Born in Cali, graduated in the great midwest.

Payton was born in San Mateo, California, and raised in Naperville, Illinois, by parents Thomas and Jeanne Payton.^[6] Payton's parents were originally from Scranton, Pennsylvania; Thomas worked in the insurance industry.^[7] Sean Payton lived in Newtown Square, Pennsylvania, during his grade school and middle school years (1970 to 1978).^[6] Sean attended Naperville Central High School in Naperville, Illinois, starting as quarterback his senior year before graduating in 1982. Winning a football scholarship, Payton had a successful career playing quarterback at Eastern Illinois University, leading the Panthers to an 11–2 record and the quarter-finals of the Division I-AA Playoffs in 1986........

It's kind of funny.. didn't he spend a part of his childhood down south for a few years?.. I remember seeing a special about him... I couldve sworn he was all southern at one time..

@nickers said:

I believe hes referring to Sean Payton.. But I also believe Sean Peyton is from Cali.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Payton

Born in Cali, graduated in the great midwest.

Payton was born in San Mateo, California, and raised in Naperville, Illinois, by parents Thomas and Jeanne Payton.^[6] Payton's parents were originally from Scranton, Pennsylvania; Thomas worked in the insurance industry.^[7] Sean Payton lived in Newtown Square, Pennsylvania, during his grade school and middle school years (1970 to 1978).^[6] Sean attended Naperville Central High School in Naperville, Illinois, starting as quarterback his senior year before graduating in 1982. Winning a football scholarship, Payton had a successful career playing quarterback at Eastern Illinois University, leading the Panthers to an 11–2 record and the quarter-finals of the Division I-AA Playoffs in 1986........

@nero said:

We are talking only about Sean Payton in this thead. It would be ideal if the OP added his name to the title, anyway.

OK, but I thought he had gone on to refer to someone else.

@logicisforsquares said:

This just in....ESPN Cleveland is reporting that the ghost of Vince Lombardi is interested in coaching the Browns.

Not true. Someone went to his grave and asked him. All they heard was laughter interspersed with gtfo's

@the-gipper said:

Who are you talking about here?

I believe hes referring to Sean Payton.. But I also believe Sean Peyton is from Cali.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Payton