@miktoxic said:

every one person in the 'game' is guilty of something. either being a softie and turning the other cheek for others underneath you to do the dirty work or willfully participating in hiring douchebags and then complaining about other douchebags that hit your douchebags.

I am 100% in agreement. I think the NFL, Godell made a mess by applying a graded scale of punishment based on TV revenue, owner clout and personal preferences.

How does Josh Gordon rate versus these head torpedo thugs?

@miktoxic said:

you don't have to lead with your head to be a thug hit.

what no one remembers lawrence taylor breaking theisman's leg after snorting an ounce of coke with parcell's knowledge?

If thats the case.. Both Mara, Parcells and LT should do jail time for negligence.. I believe Wellington Mara is deceased ...

@ghoolie said:

I don t see him leading with his head.

you don't have to lead with your head to be a thug hit.

what no one remembers lawrence taylor breaking theisman's leg after snorting an ounce of coke with parcell's knowledge?

god bless these guys with their physical ability and dedication to make it as far as they have.....BUT they could be from my homer HS or college squad and would still recognize thug play and call them out for it.

@the-gipper said:

Sucker punch?  I don't know.  But he would give a blindside forearm shiver to the head or neck.  He is why the league outlawed that action....and that is exactly what whatshidfuyuck...Jojojuju did to get penalized.   (even though...that penalty was not accepted.  It was the subsequest taunting penalty that was).

Exactly Gip, it's the difference between a blindside hit and sucker punch. Heinie never missed an opportunity to cheap shot a guy like that. Ward did cause that rule, same way Headhunter Harrison got the blows to the head rule instituted. KOed two Browns players in one game IIRC. Not only did JuJu KO Burfict, he stood over him and laughed about it. Talk about NHL goonery. Hope Shazier learned his lesson about not leading with your head.

The game is violent enough without intent to injure on top of it. Can remember the days of the now illegal head slap.

& Who was the Dolphins center that got his knee destroyed, and career ruined by a cheap shot when he wasn't even involved in the play during an interception return?

@stinkhole said:

Now most of that I can agree with!

HA!!!

it's just ball bustin on my part. tough being brown's fan.

aren't u the one i lost bets with like 3 years in a row and stocked ur fridge with beer because of it?

@miktoxic said:

well the NFL can start by having a commissioner with a spine (sorry stingley.....watched that live. friggin horrible, but saw that coming from that toothless Shmuck. worse was receiver blowing out both knees just by landing on bad philly carpet....vikings guy??). letting your players run your league has cost you 20-30% of tv viewership and millions of dollars because the man of the year wears socks calling cops pigs and others disregarding feelings of patriotism in the name of some change and kneeling in front of those who dedicate their lives for their chance to live and prosper..........when they could flick a booger at what it takes to protect their pampered asses.

funny how they all hate cops until they get robbed, beaten or house broken into....

explain DAT. (off topic, sorry. just fired up after seeing fat **MASK** beyonce give this fool his SI award last night).

Now most of that I can agree with!

@furious-styles said:

Why is the term "thug" never used when referring to sanctioned NHL fights/thuggery

? Don't use the "it's hockey" excuse seeing as how elite international leagues don't play that way

Because the term used in Hockey is:  Goon.

@brownpile said:

The kind of play you're referring to denotes a sense of sportsmanship.  Sportsmanship left the major sports years ago.  It's replaced by a 'street thug' mentality.

As long as that makes more money, it will only get worse.

Why is the term "thug" never used when referring to sanctioned NHL fights/thuggery

? Don't use the "it's hockey" excuse seeing as how elite international leagues don't play that way

@stinkhole said:

No Ghoolie No!!!  ...What a sharp contrast to what I heard on the radio today.

Tony Rizzo stressed to the younger listeners that last nights Steelers Bungles game was the way the game was played back in the day.

The way the game was played back in the day is why there are more rules today. To many retired players with concussions and other injuries.

Dikk Butkis never let up. He drilled you and made sure you felt the pain. Remember the vicious head slaps delivered by defensive linemen that were once legal?

The hit on Frank Gifford that I believe ended his career.

Hell, the Turkey Jones planting of Bradshaw...saw no letting up by that big Turkey!

The way Hines Ward blocked was perfectly legal until the league decided to make it illegal....again the concussion thing.

Imagine a player speaking like this today!!!...

Fast forward this video at 2:26 where Deacon Jones states his goal was to put the opponent in the hospital without remorse..to tear his head off.

I don t see him leading with his head.

called horse collar tackle.

not cool.

@dutch-oven said:

I don't know what is more totally hilarious about the "THE NFL IS A THUG LEAGUE NOW" rants...

The fact that its being spewed by people who would wax poetic about finger Butkus, Jack Tatum, Deacon Jones, Ray Nitchzke, et al of the past, "REAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS" or the fact that its being spewed by people who have rambled on and on ON THIS BOARD about how this country is full of wimpy, pansy men.

Watch clips of the NFL in the 50s, 60s and 70s and then say, with a straight face, how clean and sportsmanlike the NFL was back then.

Some of these look just like neck tackles.  I am not sure the neck tackle is illegal now, is it?  I am not talking horse collars....or forearm shivers...which I also see here.  I mean, just grabbing a guy around the neck...and avoiding the face mask...I think is still legal...no?

@stinkhole said:

Hines Ward never sucker punched anyone. Bet guys like Dikk Butkus, Conrad Dobler, and Mean Joe Greene did.

Coaching pick? What the funk you talking about?

Sucker punch?  I don't know.  But he would give a blindside forearm shiver to the head or neck.  He is why the league outlawed that action....and that is exactly what whatshidfuyuck...Jojojuju did to get penalized.   (even though...that penalty was not accepted.  It was the subsequest taunting penalty that was).

@stinkhole said:

Holy Sheet this makes Turkeys planting of Bradshaw look like childs play.

Its amazing Blount didn't kill this Raider.

But don't take this the wrong way, I'm with Ghoolie in that I don't like any of it,  I just happen to believe that nasty uncalled for hits have been going on for a long time and are nothing new.

No....it is about the same.  Both bad. 

But note in this video....John Facenda says it is simply the Steelers getting some of their own.  And the video you posted kinda shows that.

@ghoolie said:

Sorry to post this somewhat redundant thread about dirty play, but for me, this warrants a comment.

Over the years I battled Hoorta, who has always maintained that players should not be what we typically call headhunters. I always countered that if the head hunters were our guys we would love them. I thought Hoorta was soft, sissified, old fashioned. I always took the tack that football is a brutal game and it should be played without reserve.

Last night's game left a lasting impression on me. That game was sick. It assaulted everything that football is supposed to be about. Gone are the days when a defensive player lets up on a hit because his team is ridiculously in the lead, or because a mere push, or a QB bear hug will get the job done. Instead, too many players have become self-important, inhumane creeps.

I am doing a 180 and bowing to Larry's wisdom. Play tough, be a bad butt, be a monster of the midway, but these head hunters can all go screw themselves. Give me a Singletery, Butkis, or Eric Turner. I don't want these creeps on my team.

Touche' Hoorta. Touche"

God Forbid any player feels "Disrespected".  Here is a clue....you do something stupid like that because you feel disrespected.....and you have just increased the "disrespect" for you exponentially.

@stinkhole said:

Not even that.

Ward was famous for his seek and destroy tactic. His vicious and perfectly legal blind side blocks, one of which shattered the jaw of a Bungle LB, prompted the league to make a new rule.

That was the rule enforced against  JuJu Smith. when he knocked Vontaze Burthdefect into next week onMNF.

As far as Tomlin...why do feel the need to take this thread into a different direction?, and can you re-type your second sentence in English?

Tomlin in his 11th yr. has never had a losing season, is about to make the playoffs for the 8th time, and has appeared in the SB twice winning one.

So what you're saying is that the Steelers would have been a better team yet over those 11 yrs. if they had a different coach?

That is comforting for browns fans to hear.

c'mon dude. how old are you? do you watch current events? you don't remember the vice pres debate where the dem candidate dusted bush's vp (who couldn't even spell potato) "you sir, are no john kennedy!) it was one of the most hilarious and ground-breaking headlined news stories of that year....guess you couldn't hear it from your mom's womb.

ward's hits might have been 'personally 'legal' in your eyes but did you ever see him square up against anyone face to face....(tell the truth).

yeah i AM jealous of the steeler's organization but they are way down the list of who i respect. tomlin is not a coach i respect. he got promoted because of the rooney rule and inherited winning tradition and FO. tell me the steelers haven't got away predominately with preferential referee calls (tell the truth or u'll got to hell...lol). what has tomlin done when his chips fall off the table.....yep, lose.

make the playoffs for 8th time ain't got shite on marvin lewis.

@miktoxic said:

Not a sucker punch literally as in fist to face but more like turnover and helpless player going out of bounds with helmet spear to face.

and Rooney hired and promoted Tomlin and since then, what one game more win than cincy because a robbed bad call vs the cards u win a SB? And Tomlin is no Cowher who was not chuck Shucking noll, troll.

irish mafia ref paid off wins.

Not even that.

Ward was famous for his seek and destroy tactic. His vicious and perfectly legal blind side blocks, one of which shattered the jaw of a Bungle LB, prompted the league to make a new rule.

That was the rule enforced against  JuJu Smith. when he knocked Vontaze Burthdefect into next week onMNF.

As far as Tomlin...why do feel the need to take this thread into a different direction?, and can you re-type your second sentence in English?

Tomlin in his 11th yr. has never had a losing season, is about to make the playoffs for the 8th time, and has appeared in the SB twice winning one.

So what you're saying is that the Steelers would have been an even better team over those 11 yrs. if they had a different coach?

That is comforting for browns fans to hear.

funny how they all hate cops until they get robbed, beaten or house broken into....

explain DAT. (off topic, sorry. just fired up after seeing fat **MASK** beyonce give this fool his SI award last night).

@dutch-oven said:

I don't know what is more totally hilarious about the "THE NFL IS A THUG LEAGUE NOW" rants...

The fact that its being spewed by people who would wax poetic about finger Butkus, Jack Tatum, Deacon Jones, Ray Nitchzke, et al of the past, "REAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS" or the fact that its being spewed by people who have rambled on and on ON THIS BOARD about how this country is full of wimpy, pansy men.

Watch clips of the NFL in the 50s, 60s and 70s and then say, with a straight face, how clean and sportsmanlike the NFL was back then.

Exactly Dutch

It's only an illusion that the "NFL is a thug league now" simply because there have been put in place umpteen new rules aimed at player safety.

The intense desire to want to knock your opponent into next week is in the DNA of every football player regardless of what era they played in.

Forgot about Jack Tatum...he's another one, paralyzed Daryl Stingley for life. Not sure if he ever apologized or even had any sort of remorse.

The fact that its being spewed by people who would wax poetic about finger Butkus, Jack Tatum, Deacon Jones, Ray Nitchzke, et al of the past, "REAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS" or the fact that its being spewed by people who have rambled on and on ON THIS BOARD about how this country is full of wimpy, pansy men.

Watch clips of the NFL in the 50s, 60s and 70s and then say, with a straight face, how clean and sportsmanlike the NFL was back then.

@brownpile said:

The kind of play you're referring to denotes a sense of sportsmanship.  Sportsmanship left the major sports years ago.  It's replaced by a 'street thug' mentality.

As long as that makes more money, it will only get worse.

The NBA cleaned up their act. So can the NFL...or should

As long as that makes more money, it will only get worse.