@tacosman said:

a qb at the top of the first round likely this year.  Whether we pick up a guy like AJ or not.

And we should.  it's the right move.  Darnold or Rosen.

you mean Darnold - the interception thrower? LOL (THE BROWNS WON _ BAKER MADE THE PLAYS)

@tacosman said:

mayfield doesnt have the type of arm talent you look for as a high first round draft pick

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

I had Baker's temperament as a pro as a possible problem - boy, was I wrong. He is just a brilliant qb with a terrific arm.

oh yeah, THE BROWNS WON !!!!!! MAYFIELD TOOK OVER JUST BEFORE THE HALF, AND ROCKED !

@crstphr2 said:

Baker Mayfield.

He walked on to Texas Tech and TOOK the starting job.

He transferred to Oklahoma and TOOK the starting job away from a QB that had just lit up Alabama.

He has had to earn everything.

His teammates carried his jersey onto the field for the coin flip the game he was suspended from being captain.

Everyone wants to follow him.

He is toying with most teams

He has played in college for four full years.

He is the type who will come into camp and TAKE the starting job for himself.

Where it goes from there is anyone's guess

Just kinda mentioning this again. 

@tour2ma said:

???

Me too.

@wargograw said:

Sooo, consensus?

Consensus but with many voices feeling comfortable speaking the truth.  I don't want a GM who says QB just because Jimmah wants one or says no QB because Hue likes Kizer.

@baconhound said:

I hope Dorsey is his own man.  If the organization from top to bottom think there is a QB worth drafting, then do it.  If they believe that there isn't add depth and talent, no knee-jerk decisions.  

Sooo, consensus?

@tacosman said:

mayfield doesnt have the type of arm talent you look for as a high first round draft pick

The last time I saw him play he threw a 55 yard rope that hit his receiver in stride. The first thing I said after that (to the guy I watched the game with) was I'll guarantee you people will look at his height and the very first thing they will question is his arm strength.   Not every QB about that height has to be the next Colt McCoy - sometimes there's a Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Warren Moon or Joe Theisman...

@tour2ma said:

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@tour2ma said:

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I think PG's comment is relevant to the importance of intangibles,  eye speed,  leadership qualities, ability to prepare and just general intelligence. 

@poeticg said:

It's not about arm strength as much as what you don't see with Quarterbacks. 

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@dutch-oven said:

Now you got me curious how many QBs have won the Heisman and a National Title the same year...

Its what Google is for.   I think...in recent vintage, didn't  both Winston and Newton do that?

In checking...yes, those two...plus:  Danny Wuerffel,  Matt Leinert, Charlie Ward, Johnny Lujack, Angelo Bertelli, and Davey O'Brien.

Plus there were some RBs and other positions:

http://heisman.com/news/2015/1/12/heisman_and_national_champion.aspx?path=football

It also depends on who is available. If the #1 CB/S Minkah Fitzpatrick is there, then I think we have to take him. I seriously doubt he'll be there, but we're still in December and a lot can happen. As much as we need offense, I don't think we can go QB at 1 and then go WR at 8 (or wherever Houston pick is). We need defense too, we need defensive IMPACT players. We are desperate for a stud corner or a stud safety, and this just isn't the draft for that. Unfortunately, that was last year, and it's another example of Sashi failing to get us what we need. The Peppers pick is truly shaping up to be something awful, and while I try to remember he's a young player in a new role, it's shocking to me that he literally has ZERO impact plays for the year. He's basically done nothing on defense, special teams, and hasn't played offense. Again, he's young, but you don't expect your first rounder to basically give you NOTHING. 

I don't know who is slated to be available next year for safeties, but hopefully we're able to grab one. We tried hard for Jefferson and he took less money to go elsewhere. That's going to happen. Let's get the next one and draft somebody to learn behind him. It's a passing league and we absolutely failed this year at stopping qb's, as evidenced by the opposition's qb rating average of 102. That's not a typo. I haven't done research on the matter, but I don't remember ever seeing a stat like that. We don't get to the qb enough, we blitz too much as a result, and this leaves us vulnerable in the secondary. This is something we have to shore up if we're ever going to be competitive. Too many games it looks like the other team is just playing pitch and catch all the way down the field, and the last two games our opponents didn't even punt until the SECOND HALF. That's disgusting. We don't catch interceptions, we don't recover fumbles, and nobody knows why. These are the type of game-changing plays we haven't been making for years, and it's a big reason why we don't win. Just look at the Chargers game. That fumble before half would've changed the entire game. We just scored a TD on a beautiful play. The Chargers got the ball after half and had plenty of time for a FG attempt before the quarter ended. That fumble hit our guy in the hands, and while he had a OL draped all over him, he still HAD to make that play. We get that ball back at around their 10 yard line and find a way to punch it in....that's HUGE. Alas, the Bolts have a 3rd and 16 and easily convert to Benji. Same old Browns. I believe the Bolts went down and kicked a FG this drive. That's a 10 point swing. 

Remember Retard? 

Edit: (StocktonS)

@crstphr2 said:

Baker Mayfield.

He walked on to Texas Tech and TOOK the starting job.

He transferred to Oklahoma and TOOK the starting job away from a QB that had just lit up Alabama.

He has had to earn everything.

His teammates carried his jersey onto the field for the coin flip the game he was suspended from being captain.

Everyone wants to follow him.

He is toying with most teams

He has played in college for four full years.

He is the type who will come into camp and TAKE the starting job for himself.

Where it goes from there is anyone's guess

Welcome to the board!

 To how many other message boards have you copy/pasted this canned endorsement? 

@dutch-oven said:

I honestly can't think of a non-QB that would be worthy of the #1 pick... It's 4+ months from the Draft, though.

I haven't looked at it yet but I'm not anti-trade down.  I would like a GM who sees NFL talent.

@baconhound said:

I hope Dorsey is his own man.  If the organization from top to bottom think there is a QB worth drafting, then do it.  If they believe that there isn't add depth and talent, no knee-jerk decisions.  

I honestly can't think of a non-QB that would be worthy of the #1 pick... It's 4+ months from the Draft, though.

@stillmotion said:

Baker will win the Heisman and national championship and it still won’t change anyone’s view on the board. They’ll still hate him then. I see the “it” factor will him. He’s something special. Haters gonna hate though.

Now you got me curious how many QBs have won the Heisman and a National Title the same year...

@tacosman said:

mayfield doesnt have the type of arm talent you look for as a high first round draft pick

I vaguely remember hearing about this Watson kid that didn't have an arm too...........then he threw like 20 TD's in 5 games or so

@stillmotion said:

you listed five things that are done in almost every evaluation. how do you not take into account any stats in an evaluation? that's just stupid. i never said leader ever. how do you not take in account a quarterbacks accuracy?

basically you have your argument set up that if Baker is X, it doesn't matter. So anything positive I try to argue for in Baker, you deem it X because you won't acknowledge X. You can't correctly analyze a player if you don't take into account his situation, his team, his accuracy, his size, and all of the variables. I based his accuracy off the fact that he's been one of the most accurate college QB's. Way more accurate then Rosen. Let's flip it, and you tell me why Mayfield isn't good. I've told you my argument. You don't have ANY STATS to back anything up. Just a gut feeling, which is hardly an evaluation.

I've already watched 10 full games of his.   I was polite enough to give a play by play breakdown of the entire 1st half on the Bedlam game just to convey an insight on what I see.  

Go on...tell me about "gut feeling" again.

Also, I'm always up for sig bets.  DBone declined that once, and a couple others decline ones based on Manziel.      Care to break the cycle?

@crstphr2 said:

Baker Mayfield.

He walked on to Texas Tech and TOOK the starting job.

He transferred to Oklahoma and TOOK the starting job away from a QB that had just lit up Alabama.

He has had to earn everything.

His teammates carried his jersey onto the field for the coin flip the game he was suspended from being captain.

Everyone wants to follow him.

He is toying with most teams

He has played in college for four full years.

He is the type who will come into camp and TAKE the starting job for himself.

Where it goes from there is anyone's guess

Sounds like John P. Manziel Jr.

Jimmy really is a dumb sheet.

@crstphr2 said:

Baker Mayfield.

He walked on to Texas Tech and TOOK the starting job.

He transferred to Oklahoma and TOOK the starting job away from a QB that had just lit up Alabama.

He has had to earn everything.

His teammates carried his jersey onto the field for the coin flip the game he was suspended from being captain.

Everyone wants to follow him.

He is toying with most teams

He has played in college for four full years.

He is the type who will come into camp and TAKE the starting job for himself.

Where it goes from there is anyone's guess

Thank you, Baker's future agent. Your first post was riveting.

He walked on to Texas Tech and TOOK the starting job.

He transferred to Oklahoma and TOOK the starting job away from a QB that had just lit up Alabama.

He has had to earn everything.

His teammates carried his jersey onto the field for the coin flip the game he was suspended from being captain.

Everyone wants to follow him.

He is toying with most teams

He has played in college for four full years.

He is the type who will come into camp and TAKE the starting job for himself.

Where it goes from there is anyone's guess