@rich4eagle said:

You do not get it. Paul Brown introduced the West Coast Offense into the AAFC in 1946 they won the championship all four years. He taught it to bill walsh and now they all know it. The Browns won three NFL championships in there first six years with "Automatic Otto Graham throwing the ball and Marion Motley running over people and catching passes.  Sometime check on history of the NFL and AAFC before just spouting off bs

Rich is perfectly correct.

I mean....people don't seem to realize that the NFL record for most passing yards in a game is 554........in 1951.....by Norm Van Brocklin of the Rams. 

Still the record to this day.  And while sure, there is a lot more passing these days.....that is only because of the rules that have been put in place.  You can't touch the receivers, you can't touch the QBs. 

But there was plenty of passing in those days.   By guys that are just as good at throwing the ball as we have now.

@mld-woody said:

Well let's go off of how they have played instead of assuming they'll all be pro bowlers. Though the OP said All Pro... which is a good bit of difference. 

Zeke is a great HB. Played behind a great OL last season and his been suspended this season. But he is a great player. Taking him top 5, for us, would have been dumb.

Bosa is playing great. No knock there.

Thomas gets to play with Brees on a great offense. I bet Coleman could do a lot of similar things in that O.

Lattimore is definitely good. Shazier was too I think.

But the  idea that there is just mountains of all pros coming out of OSU every year and that all we need to do is draft OSU players to win is dumb. It just is. People will disagree to get a reaction out of me or out of blind allegiance. 

OSU had their best class ever two drafts ago. There were good players in that draft  we could have taken. But to expect the same amount of production out of them on this Browns team is incorrect. To say all we need to do is draft a bunch of OSU players to win is dumb. That's it.

What has the great OL AND D DONE since Zeke went out...............PPPPPPPHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHT FARTED..........Shazier was an absolute stud and so was zeke and Bosa you want more? There is nothing about me that is dumb.............it is about being smart..........Eddie George? Mikal Thomas? AJ Hawk? Zeke? all those starting lineman about 10 none on our team, all those 7-10 starting dbs everywhere, Deron Lee, Heward, Ted Ginn, and on and on it goes. How stupid can you be to ignore a hometown team that produced Laurinitis..........and all these guys never drafting a one including Big Ben who may win his third Super Bowl this year who was OHIO his whole life and a browns fab. Stupid is seeing a box of chocolates  peeing in it

So lets discuss winning instead of incompetence about whom is whom. I am all ears filled with 20 years of cowpoop

@mld-woody said:

Yes, if only we drafted all OSU players... that would fix everything. 

Many are becoming All Pros? Damn, which one's? Zeke was I think. Bosa?

@send-in-the-clowns said:

Yes, need a legit threat at the #2 DE.  But shouldn't a pass rush from the LBs be better even with Ogbah down?  Wonder if they might be motivated to take a pass rushing LB in round 2 of the draft.

@mld-woody said:

"offensive juggernaut" in 1946 was attempting a forward pass, right?

You do not get it. Paul Brown introduced the West Coast Offense into the AAFC in 1946 they won the championship all four years. He taught it to bill walsh and now they all know it. The Browns won three NFL championships in there first six years with "Automatic Otto Graham throwing the ball and Marion Motley running over people and catching passes.  Sometime check on history of the NFL and AAFC before just spouting off bs

@brownpile said:

There's a LOT of your post I disagree with, primarily that Offense wins championships.  Couldn't disagree more.  The very era you are touting proved that wrong.  We are re-living that history now and no one has learned anything from it.  Who won the championships in those years and what was their focus?  Defense and ball-control offenses based off the run.  They annihilated those very pass-oriented teams with their celebrity QBs.  Denver did it just 2 years ago and everyone conveniently forgets that, as well.

As far as OSU, though, I doubt anyone here wants the OSU QB with the #1 pick.  Not sure why they don't draft the defensive lineman and linebackers and - in other years - the CBs.  Dorsey seems to draft from the Power 5 conferences that are dominant at the time.  Big 10 - and OSU - may not be in that list right now.

You still don't get it and never did the Browns win all those championships with defense it was "bend but don't break defense" and an offense juggernaut and that is even moreso today

@baconhound said:

If you have a good offense and no defense you'll stink...see Houston.  If you have good defense and no offense you'll stink see Cincinnati 

The only comment in this thread that makes any sense.

To win games in any major sport you have to score points AND keep the other team from scoring points.  End of story.

If there's people that "don't get it", it's those that keep shouting is that "all you need is a QB and your worries are over"

@dutch-oven said:

I like Ogbah as the DE opposite of Garrett, but would like the Browns to add a mid-rounder to the DE mix who is a pass-rusher for passing downs. Maybe an under-sized guy who is a bit one-dimensional, but would fit nicely in the Browns rotation.

He's already on roster - Nate Orchard.    Who has been contributing more and more of late.   

@send-in-the-clowns said:

Lots of great players coming out of OSU.   I've also been amazed over the years how the Browns miss on drafting some of the fine talent in the Mid American Conference -- Toledo, KSU, Western Michigan as examples.  Do they hire zombies for scouts???!!!

I mean... I would imagine most of  the great MAC players got passed up multiple times before being drafted. Let's not start blaming the browns for ever player they don't take that turns out to be great

@send-in-the-clowns said:

Yes, need a legit threat at the #2 DE.  But shouldn't a pass rush from the LBs be better even with Ogbah down?  Wonder if they might be motivated to take a pass rushing LB in round 2 of the draft.

We'd just turn a pass rushing LB into a DE. I didn't think we ran a 3-4 type base anymore. But most plays I'm just counting the yards for how far back our safety is

@send-in-the-clowns said:

Lots of great players coming out of OSU.   I've also been amazed over the years how the Browns miss on drafting some of the fine talent in the Mid American Conference -- Toledo, KSU, Western Michigan as examples.  Do they hire zombies for scouts???!!!

The got Cribbs from the MAC.

@cdl15 said:

Heard a stat the other day. Bosa needs like 6 more sacks to become the all time sacks leader since 99 if he had been drafted by the browns.

Lots of great players coming out of OSU.   I've also been amazed over the years how the Browns miss on drafting some of the fine talent in the Mid American Conference -- Toledo, KSU, Western Michigan as examples.  Do they hire zombies for scouts???!!!

@mld-woody said:

Yeah, guy is great. It shows what having two very good DEs on the same line can do. We even saw flashes with Ogbah and Garrett

Yes, need a legit threat at the #2 DE.  But shouldn't a pass rush from the LBs be better even with Ogbah down?  Wonder if they might be motivated to take a pass rushing LB in round 2 of the draft.

@rich4eagle said:

I hope Dorsey or somebody understands there is a school in the middle of Ohio that turns out high draft picks every year many becoming All Pros. Why do none of these players ever get drafted by the Browns?  I hope that somehow someway they start understanding that players who touch the ball are the most important ingredient to winning especially the QB.  There are a lot of people on the scouting staff that ends up picking bums every year. I hope they understand that no matter how good oline guys play you lose if players who touch the ball don't make plays that make line play better. The easiest thing to fix on a football team is the offensive line. The one thing that is unfixable is a lousy QB and lousy RB's. An Adrian Peterson or Ezkiel Elliott is invaluable they passed on the both. They have passed 15-20 qbs many who are or will hofers. They passed on Michael Thomas to pick Coleman. If fact they passed on so many OSU players it makes the staff look like buffoons. I hope they understand that in the current era Offense wins championships.

In 1987 the worst thing  happened to the Browns that led to 25 years of lousy teams. The Dawg Pound was created and focus went to defense and drafting oline guys. THE Cleveland Browns heritage is being an offensive juggernaut from 1946 to 1989. Then they threw the Brownie into lake Erie and quit drafting offensive studs and Ohio State players and been losing ever since.

The Dawg Pound should be replaced the Brownie should be brought back and Offense needs to be emphasized instead of an after thought. They need to transform the Dawg Pound into Touchdown Brownie!

If they keep doing the same as they have since Marty left they will get the same results. 

Why is it that guys like Rich4Eagle are relegated to writing posts on Browns chat boards instead of running things for the Browns?  Brilliant post! I do believe Dorsey is finally going to be the first GM in this long story of disaster to make a difference and move the team in the right direction.  Wholeheartedly agree we need to focus on a striking offense that takes pressure on the defense.  In the draft, yes, take a DB and maybe a safety, but focus on offense, including adding another WR and a RB to replace Crowell who will be leaving soon.   Dump Jackson.  Dorsey does deserve to pick the head coach and stupid of Haslam not to say so!

@cdl15 said:

Heard a stat the other day. Bosa needs like 6 more sacks to become the all time sacks leader since 99 if he had been drafted by the browns.

Yeah, guy is great. It shows what having two very good DEs on the same line can do. We even saw flashes with Ogbah and Garrett

@stillmotion said:

Troll? Didn't know troll's were right about almost everything they post?

So you're just his Alt account then?

@mld-woody said:

Yes, if only we drafted all OSU players... that would fix everything. 

Many are becoming All Pros? Damn, which one's? Zeke was I think. Bosa?

Heard a stat the other day. Bosa needs like 6 more sacks to become the all time sacks leader since 99 if he had been drafted by the browns.

@mld-woody said:

Another thing that sucks about this board, people continuing to feed Ghoolie... This just a very obvious troll.

Troll? Didn't know troll's were right about almost everything they post?

@ghoolie said:

Hey Rich......don't be so harsh. Corey Coleman is going to wear lipstick and pantyhose tomorrow, and Hasalami has asked Godell to fine anyone who tries to cover or tackle the great wider receiver. Homosexual and Dallas Cowboy wannabe Myles Garrett will be wearing his new line of Zumba outfits. Also, the Browns new Offensive Line, which boasts the highest paid lardasses in the history of NFL OL, will be blocking us to the SB while Kizer's screen passes fly overhead and hit the sideline coaches in the nutsack.

Haven't you heard Rich?  Defense wins championships. Just ask Denver how that is working out for them. Or Dallas, with 5 1st round draft pick lardasses on their OL.

QB, WR, RB...............the three most important positions on the field.  Then you need pass rushers and ball hawks. Crowell is okay, Duke is okay, Ogbah is a histler. None of them are outstanding, none of them would start for the Steelers. In fact, nobody on our starting roster could start for Pittsburgh, INCLUDING a healthy Joe THomas.

Well, this is just ignorance.....except for the part about the skill players.   Bell, Brown, BR do make all the difference with Pitt.  With the other positions...they could all be interchangeable with the Browns players.

Because...you Ghoolie, forgot one of the most important positions:  the coach.  How good do you think the Steeelrs would be with Hue Jackson as HC?

@rich4eagle said:

Ghoolie and I been posting on how to getting it for going on 20 years when is this board and Browns management EVER going to get IT

The problem is not so much that they have ignored the offensive skill positions.  (except for Ray Farmer who never wanted to draft a WR).

The problem was that they always drafted the wrong guys.   First round picks on Weeden, Quinn, Manziel. Second round pick in Kizer.  Third rounders on Fry, McCoy, Kessler.  The problem is they have done a piss poor job with the guys they did pick.   They used a first round pick on WR Coleman....mixed results.

But....don't feel bad....they have done just as piss poor of a job at the other positions:  Cam Erving OL,  Barkevious Mingo DL, Justin Gilbert DB. Hell....they have been an equal opportunity shitty drafting team.  Skill players, OL, defense.   Hell...maybe even kicker.

@tiamat63 said:

Zeke, Bosa, Thomas, Lattimore, & Shazier was on his way pre-injury.

Decker, Elflein, Linsley, Mewhort, Norwell, & Lee have all played well with the middle 3 being fringe pro-bowlers that just haven't broken through yet.    So uhh, there's some talent derr. 

Well let's go off of how they have played instead of assuming they'll all be pro bowlers. Though the OP said All Pro... which is a good bit of difference. 

Zeke is a great HB. Played behind a great OL last season and his been suspended this season. But he is a great player. Taking him top 5, for us, would have been dumb.

Bosa is playing great. No knock there.

Thomas gets to play with Brees on a great offense. I bet Coleman could do a lot of similar things in that O.

Lattimore is definitely good. Shazier was too I think.

But the  idea that there is just mountains of all pros coming out of OSU every year and that all we need to do is draft OSU players to win is dumb. It just is. People will disagree to get a reaction out of me or out of blind allegiance. 

OSU had their best class ever two drafts ago. There were good players in that draft  we could have taken. But to expect the same amount of production out of them on this Browns team is incorrect. To say all we need to do is draft a bunch of OSU players to win is dumb. That's it.

@mld-woody said:

Yes, if only we drafted all OSU players... that would fix everything. 

Many are becoming All Pros? Damn, which one's? Zeke was I think. Bosa?

Zeke, Bosa, Thomas, Lattimore, & Shazier was on his way pre-injury.

Decker, Elflein, Linsley, Mewhort, Norwell, & Lee have all played well with the middle 3 being fringe pro-bowlers that just haven't broken through yet.    So uhh, there's some talent derr.