@louisville-slugger said:

Yea he definitely needs to get with someone to work on his speech, but from everything I've heard is a legitmatly good person. He visited my little cousins school and her parents said he was very nice.

Lamar has come along way as a passer. I didn'  think he was going to be an NFL QB coming into the season. He has had to deal with a poor offensive line weak running game and an awful defense until we got Alexander and Stacy Thomas back. The most infuriating thing about him is he throws a terrible flare route to running backs. I don't understand it but that seems fixable. His accuracy is actually pretty good most of the time, but every once in a while he will throw one way off the mark.

Bottom line is if we bring him along like the Seahawks did Russell Wilson I think he can really develop. Only make him throw 15-20 times a game for the first season and once he gets comfortable give him more rope. Right now I have darnold as safer prospect for a traditional offense but Lamar could be a game changer

By 'like the Seahawks did' you mean toss him out there full time as a rookie minus the stellar defense and HoF RB to take pressure off....?

If so, then yeah....totally.  

@calfoxwc said:

The offensive line will really have trouble understanding him at the los.

Tremendous talented kid, though. Halfback/wr passer trick plays?

Shades of Bobby Garrett?  (The #1 overall draft pick of the Browns in 1954 who couldn't play because he stuttered)

Lamar has come along way as a passer. I didn'  think he was going to be an NFL QB coming into the season. He has had to deal with a poor offensive line weak running game and an awful defense until we got Alexander and Stacy Thomas back. The most infuriating thing about him is he throws a terrible flare route to running backs. I don't understand it but that seems fixable. His accuracy is actually pretty good most of the time, but every once in a while he will throw one way off the mark.

Bottom line is if we bring him along like the Seahawks did Russell Wilson I think he can really develop. Only make him throw 15-20 times a game for the first season and once he gets comfortable give him more rope. Right now I have darnold as safer prospect for a traditional offense but Lamar could be a game changer

Tremendous talented kid, though. Halfback/wr passer trick plays?

@tiamat63 said:

He's a... in word, "better built" athlete than Teddy, I give him that.      I do have concerns about Lamar, because while Brady has introduced muscle pliability to NFL QB's - that only goes so far when exposed to routine shots.    So if Lamar isn't as evolved as Teddy being a passer, he'll have to compensate it in other areas for at minimum the time being.    Thus exposing him to those routine shots not only on designed runs, but the ones he'll take in the pocket regardless.   

I can't begin to endorse him as a 1st round pick.   By the time it's said and done, I doubt you will as well.  

@tour2ma said:

Not likely as a passer, but as an overall QB prospect? I'm already there. Much of my take is based on my concerns about Teddy's "frame" then and now. I know many, including you IIRC, have similar concerns about Jackson, but I don't. While Lamar is not "thick", neither is he slight to my eye.

He's a... in word, "better built" athlete than Teddy, I give him that.      I do have concerns about Lamar, because while Brady has introduced muscle pliability to NFL QB's - that only goes so far when exposed to routine shots.    So if Lamar isn't as evolved as Teddy being a passer, he'll have to compensate it in other areas for at minimum the time being.    Thus exposing him to those routine shots not only on designed runs, but the ones he'll take in the pocket regardless.   

I can't begin to endorse him as a 1st round pick.   By the time it's said and done, I doubt you will as well.  

@tiamat63 said:

Im sure someone will be dumb enough to think he was on Bridgewaters level by the time he left the Cardinals. 

Not likely as a passer, but as an overall QB prospect? I'm already there. Much of my take is based on my concerns about Teddy's "frame" then and now. I know many, including you IIRC, have similar concerns about Jackson, but I don't. While Lamar is not "thick", neither is he slight to my eye.

@logicisforsquares said:

Speaking of Lamar Jackson, has anyone watched enough film on him to report to the scouting thread? It seems that the talking heads are torn on him. I have seen him live in two games. It appeared as if he went through some progressions but legging it seems to be his best attribute.

Aside from a small handfull of Louisville games over the past couple years - can't say I have.  I've seen signs of his progression as a passer but his ability was so raw and undeveloped it would have been nearly impossible not to improve. 

Im sure someone will be dumb enough to think he was on Bridgewaters level by the time he left the Cardinals. 

@wargograw said:

Has Tyrod Taylor passed for 300 yards in a game yet?

285 is about the best he has ever done.

However even the best of coaches can only overcome so many player limitations, most especially at your most important position - QB.         RG3, Kaep, Tyrod and soon to be Jackson - all have limitations as passers.     And the schemes used to help overcome their limitations as passers by using their athletic gifts puts them (your most critical position) at serious risk. All the while sacrificing the ability to work within the structure of a modern passing offense.

It's just a no-win situation either way you slice it.  

@louisville-slugger said:

No what I am saying he has red flags just like all of the other QBs in this class, but he has the biggest boom bust ratio. Like I said Greg Romans offense made Kapernick a household name, imagine what he could do with Lamar.

The problem is guys like RGIII and Kaepernick can have early success because of their athletic tools, but when the NFL catches up to that, and they do, you have to be able to read defenses and work through progressions in the pocket. I'm hesitant to take a QB who fits the "burn brightly/burn out quickly" type.

In San Francisco 2011-2013 they were 11th in points but had an off year on 2014. 

So in 5 of his 6 years as an offensive coordinator his team has been 12th or better in points.

Tyrod is a guy that's going to give you about 3000 yards a season and throw about 6 ints. He may not be a too 10 quarterback but he is a solid starter. Game manager seems like a pretty accurate label

@louisville-slugger said:

Did they catch up to that offense? Tyrod Taylor disagrees 

Game manager Tyrod Taylor?  The same QB that has the Bills averaging just over 15ppg in the second half of the season...? Same QB that has beaten...one? I think one team with a .500 or above record?  

To be clear - THAT is what you want for your #1 overall pick and THAT is the shining example you're using?

@louisville-slugger said:

No what I am saying he has red flags just like all of the other QBs in this class, but he has the biggest boom bust ratio. Like I said Greg Romans offense made Kapernick a household name, imagine what he could do with Lamar.

Good, that's very good.  Exactly what the Browns need.  

We need Roman to come in after we draft Jackson, that way the NFL, which eventually caught up to Kaep and that offense by late 2013, can use the blueprints established back then to show just how stupid of an idea with little longevity that would be.  

@louisville-slugger said:

As a Louisville fan I honestly don't think his size will hold him back. He has a thin frame but he's tough as nails. Dude just leaves it all out there. I'm not 100% he translates to the nfl, but I would hate to miss on him if he does

In other words, you're a fan - can't justify taking him, but want to keep seeing him play.      Shmuck it, right?