I don't see Socky in there.

I do, however, see lucid and clear while demonstrating a grasp of [and ability to verbalize] intellectual nuance.

He's accused of being "Socky" or "brash" ---- but what is NEVER described is (1) precisely where he "IS" on the scale of Socky and (2) Where every other athlete at UCLA currently exists on that same scale used to measure Rosen.

For Rosen to be "too Socky" ... first, show me with LINKS how he's precisely equal to LiAngelo Ball in Sockiness.. they lived on the same campus.  Or, any other athlete on scholarship. News flash: It's a D1 school. D1 athletes are Socky whether you like it or not - it's who they always have been.

Until it's shown that Rosen is MORE Socky THAN even an extremely Socky D1 athlete..........  This whisper campaign is BS.

@tour2ma said:

Not that hard to find, cal... did the leg work for you just to show how completely biased your take of what Rosen actually said is...

No matter the section of the forum, you are consistent.

  Good job, but I don't see where my paraphrase is off base at all. He admits he has a superiority complex he has to get rid of. He admits he has some gal friends who have to defend him to other gals who don't really know him. Some gals accept jerk guys for whatever reason. Some don't.

I just don't harp about allen's injury history and wonder about his durability, while ignoring rosen's injury history, etc. That's all.

@calfoxwc said:

baloney. I posted where Rosen ADMITTED he has a problem with other women on campus - he had female friends who had to try to explain him in a better light. wherever that was, can't find it again....

Not that hard to find, cal... did the leg work for you just to show how completely biased your take of what Rosen actually said is...

@calfoxwc said:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-bonafide-star-how-will-he-handle-fame

He also admits he's not the most beloved guy on the UCLA sorority scene. "I have a superiority complex I need to get rid of," he says. "Girls that I am really good homies with tell me about how often they have to defend my image to girls that don't know me." Earlier in the day he described what he's looking for in a future partner: "My wife is going to be a fighter. I need someone to tell me to f‑‑‑ off every once in a while." While noting that the demands of football don't leave him enough time for a girlfriend, he acknowledged, "I'm not mature enough right now."

No matter the section of the forum, you are consistent.

@calfoxwc said:

looks to me, like rosen get frustrated when getting sacked, etc, and losing, so he ends up

injured, and quickly ends up on the sideline in his comfortable clothes. nah. More not impressed every week.

Hi Andrew

injured, and quickly ends up on the sideline in his comfortable clothes. nah. More not impressed every week.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/11/25/16698098/josh-rosen-injury-ucla-california

hand...or concussion. hmmm

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/11/3/16605312/josh-rosen-injury-will-miss-utah-game

not all that durable, compared to Darnold and Allen - who run more.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-washington-20171028-story.html

I reposted these links - somehow, they just disappeared. Atenears obviously loves him some rosen.

@nero said:

No matter if you don't declare to this draft, looking at the team: We will scout you, we will find you, and we will draft you.

Even if you try to hide under the bed of the Paris Hotel

@lbc-mike said:

He said he is staying in school to avoid being drafted by the browns.

He completely mindfvcked by the Browns.  We'll draft a great QB no matter what

@clevfan4life said:

Hey all this chatter just makes it more likely someone nay want to move up in a deep qb class. Im fine with it. Rosens my top choice but if hevreally wants to go to the giants thats fine. We move down to #3 and still get darnold or someone else. Cause SF wont go qb with the #2 cause they gave garrapolo

Giants are clearly #2 now down 23-0. SF won again today. Houston now in the #5 spot at least till they play tomorrow.

All that being said, why would the kid every want to come to this historically bad $h!+ show?

@browns149 said:

I think Rosen will be a better pro then Mayfield. 

It has nothing to do with character for me. It has to do with his size and skills

They both have off the field stuff. And the skills are better with Rosen. So  that’s why  I like Rosen better

Plus Mayfield plays against defenses that inflate Qb stats. 

Mayfield is a risky pick.  I'm not sure any QB who's first NFL start is starting week 1 for the 2018 Cleveland Browns isn't insanely risky.

If possible I'd have no issue with giving Kirk Cousins legit free agent money.

@browns149 said:

I think Rosen will be a better pro then Mayfield. 

It has nothing to do with character for me. It has to do with his size and skills

They both have off the field stuff. And the skills are better with Rosen. So  that’s why  I like Rosen better

Plus Mayfield plays against defenses that inflate Qb stats. 

Do you realize the excuses for losing are already flying off your finger tips for Rosen. I saw Rosen twice this year and he lost both times (Memphis State and USC).  Meanwhile Baker Mayfield gets just as much credit for lighting up Ohio State's Defense as DeShaun Watson got.  And it wasn't like Mayfield had a lights out defense.   He was just good enough to make it not matter as much as it did at UCLA.

I remembered back when Tim Couch threw 5 TD passes vrs Florida.  That would have been nice if Florida didn't score about 56 points after getting off to something like a 21-0 or 28-0 lead.  And, Jay Cutler became another SEC Player of the Year for junk time stats in games his college team didn't compete well enough in the first half.  That carried over to the Denver Broncos for the king of junk time stats. 

@topdawg31 said:

the more I think about it, it was probably someone on the Giants that leaked that hot rumor.

Fine with me if they wanna offer that butt up to dorsey. Let him pound that for years. Giants gonna come out their pockets

@browns149 said:

It won’t matter who the QB is next if Hue is still here we will go 0-16 again

might be correct there

Rosen doesn't want to be a Brown and I don't blame him.  Pay Kirk Cousins and move forward.  Use 1 & 5 to bring in some real talent.

@unsympathetic said:

You first.

I acknowledge your admission that you've got no evidence - but then you cite "article after article" which have equally fact-free assertions.. as though some amorphous entity's pre-existing stupidity creates reality?

Nope. You've got nothing and they've got nothing.. period. 

You want to cite articles? Go for it. Each article you link I'll show you why they have nothing.. And when there's no articles left, your assertion that there's a Mass Of Articles falls apart.. and your justification for believing negative stuff about Rosen.. vanishes.

Think it through.... without the "asserted societal conclusion" the entire notion that there is a problem with Rosen falls apart.

This stuff about Rosen is from Starting A Rumor 101..

If I'm trying to get a rumor started, I say "I Heard Someone Else Say XYZ" when in reality I'm the only one saying XYZ.  Then the naive person who hears this runs around asking everyone "Who Is Saying This XYZ About Me/Whoever" ... when in reality now they're the one actively spreading the rumor because it wasn't a thing before I said it.. and now they're trying to find out "Who Was Saying This Before."  This is precisely how evil people get dumb/naive/gullible/simple people to do their bidding and do actively evil things.  The entire point is to get everyone running around asking Who Is Saying XYZ... because after a while people will believe that simply because they're saying that someone else is saying XYZ... it must actually be a thing.

This is exactly what happened with McQueary and Schiano --- the guy who McQueary asserted was Saying Something about Schiano testified that McQueary's assertion was a lie -- and the UT fans didn't believe him, they believed McQueary.. because society is actually now geared towards trying to "Take Someone Down"

Groupthink stupidity is a societal problem not just with Rosen... people are too eager to believe fact-free nonsense

If it's just a bunch of made up nothing, why do none of the other prospects have this going on? Why did every single one of his fans that I met confirm the reports? As stillmotion said, not everything is citeable. Sometimes it's word of mouth. At some point you have to wonder why this many stories are coming out. 

@calfoxwc said:

oh, look. Josh Rosen's arrogance, demeanor, etc....

cost him a chance to go to Stanford.

https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/ucla-bruins-stanford-cardinal-josh-rosen-dream-school-101515

Clearly made up, because that would benefit someone else...

@dutch-oven said:

You neglected to mention that he's missing the game because of a concussion he suffered AND throw in an anti-gay slur at the same time.

Well played. I can see why you were such a big Rush Limbaugh fan - seeing that misinformation and bigotry (with some hypocrisy) is kind of his thing.

You're a dork.

@stillmotion said:

I never agree with War, but this time I'm fully backing him. This is 100x true. I've never met so many people dislike their college QB. My friend who teaches at UCLA's friend is a Jewish professor (UCLA) and hated Rosen because of the way the kid treated him, that's unheard of.

Like I said, he's a spoiled rich kid from California, and he'd probably refuse to play in cold Cleveland because he's a punk.

If he kid already acts like he's "better than everyone else", do you expect him to be the hardest working Cleveland Brown?

Say whatever you want, but I speculate Rosen will be a bust simply because he's an pooper even his fans hate.

Mayfield will be a success in the NFL simply because he's an pooper all his fans love. #teammayfield

Not everything in life can be cited. Seeing the kid play, seeing the kids hate him is one thing for war. It's a red flag, and if you think it isn't and doesn't matter at all, and Rosen leaves the Browns after we draft him and goes to Denver, i'll be saying I told you so.

Essentially you're saying let's check someone's resume, and it looks great, but when you check the references, no one wants to be around him. You check his facebook and he has no friends. You check his wife or girlfriend, and she makes Carson Wentz's look like Heidi Klum.

He's a punk indeed. A punk with great talent. I don't mind us drafting him, but let's just recognize he might be a complete disaster.

@topdawg31 said:

good point, if in fact he did really say it, hell change his tune when he sees the $$$$$

huh the $$ is the same either way.  My point is he just doesnt have a choice.  Hes not going to go back to school.