@clevfan4life said:

Who was that ridiculous little midget on the chiefs that cant be guarded? Is it their rb or slot wr? I mean he's ludicrously fast. Last game they mentioned that gm lobbied hard for the kid despite some character issues. I mean if dorsey can bring in unguardable munchkins from the wizard of oz with char issues im oerfectly ok with watching them walk away from premier nfl secondaries with ball in hand

Tyreke Hill.....but he dropped due to off field issues.   (Domestic Violence?)

@gumby73 said:

Cleve were young enough now. 12 more coming in Utes in this draft? Is full blown NFL daycare . My hope is Dorsey looks for more draft day player trades like Jamar Taylor? deal for seasoned talent in their last season of a expiring contract maybe?

Except that Jamar Taylor has been pretty terrible.  Maybe the concept you are suggesting is good......but lets just get a better player than Taylor.

@ghoolie said:

Dudes,

If finding a franchise QB on one pick was the measure of a GM, you and I would eventually get our chance as and NFL GM because most of the known guys would have failed.

And you can get lucky....and the guy that you pick at #82 is considered the GOAT (Montana...82d overall pick)  until a guy that is picked #199 comes along.

@the-gipper said:

Isn't that pretty much fair market value:  what you would have to expect to move up from 27 to 10?  What did Philly pay to go from where they were to trade with Browns for the #2 pick?

@nero said:

Houston paid one first round to move up 13 spots (from #25 to #12), so I think it's fair to add a 3rd round to enter the Top 10 moving up 17 spots. Also, there only was 1 QB that had been already drsfted by then (Trubisky #2), whereas Texans trade was done after 2 QBs had been already drafted (Trub, Mahomes). 

Tis the season for draft pick charts? It's an overpayment per the Harvard chart 299.1 <==> 214.7+135.1+102.7= 452.5, but a 50% premium to the chart is far from the worst deal ever made.

What you are not considering is where Mahomes was believed to be going in Round One. If KC had him pegged to go around pick #20 as the 3rd QB taken, then the light in which the deal is seen is a little different. For the same premium Pick 1.20 could have been had for 1.27+3.27+6.27.

DraftScout had Mahomes as their #4 QB in the 2017 draft.

But hey... Dorsey's move helped us/him as it contributed to Houston's urgency to move up and take Watson.

@clevfan4life said:

Who was that ridiculous little midget on the chiefs that cant be guarded? Is it their rb or slot wr? I mean he's ludicrously fast. Last game they mentioned that gm lobbied hard for the kid despite some character issues. I mean if dorsey can bring in unguardable munchkins from the wizard of oz with char issues im oerfectly ok with watching them walk away from premier nfl secondaries with ball in hand

Both Hunt and Hill are hard to find and speed to burn. Hill is a WR but he often is run in the jet sweep and sometimes runs from the RB position (but gets isolated on a LB from there occasionally for a pass out of the backfield).

@gumby73 said:

Dorsey to get to #10 from #27 gave KC’s 2018 1st rounder & 3rd rounder #91..To get Kareem Hunt in 3rd round at #86? Dorsey went from 3rd round #104 to pick #86, giving up a 4th #132 & a 7th #245.

If Dorsey is able to get us a Kareem Hunt kind of player that cheaply, I'd take any day. Finding a way to steal Smith would be icing on the cake.

@clevfan4life said:

Chiefs gave up next tears first rounder too? Ouch. The pressure on mahomes is going to be monumental. 

They switched first rounders last season, in reality. A third rounder alone isn't getting you from the end of the first round to #10.

@clevfan4life said:

Chiefs gave up next tears first rounder too? Ouch. The pressure on mahomes is going to be monumental. 

Cleve were young enough now. 12 more coming in Utes in this draft? Is full blown NFL daycare . My hope is Dorsey looks for more draft day player trades like Jamar Taylor? deal for seasoned talent in their last season of a expiring contract maybe?

If finding a franchise QB on one pick was the measure of a GM, you and I would eventually get our chance as and NFL GM because most of the known guys would have failed.

and wanted him to make it happen...something like that. Let's see how it goes this draft. I expect awesome things.

Like a trade down. Let Buffalo have Rosen, because he is the best pure pocket passer in the draft, eh?

@the-gipper said:

Isn't that pretty much fair market value:  what you would have to expect to move up from 27 to 10?

...and they willingly PAY those prices....because you HAVE TO have a QB.  (WE don't...but OTHER teams feel that they DO have to have a QB)

@tour2ma said:

Both things can be true... they love Mahomes, but not the deal Dorsey made to draft him.

In exchange for the rights to get Mahomes, the Chiefs gave up this year's first-round pick (No. 27 overall), this year's third-round pick (91st overall) and a 2018 first-round pick.

Isn't that pretty much fair market value:  what you would have to expect to move up from 27 to 10?  What did Philly pay to go from where they were to trade with Browns for the #2 pick?

@clevfan4life said:

In any case, we dint have to wirry this year about any trade ups. We're gonna have 1 and 4 right now right? Maybe that texans pick will redeem sashi's tenure here

Nice thought, so long as he doesn't step on a rake, it's only going to further empower Dorsey.

@clevfan4life said:

Was it? I thought the chiefs almost explicitly stated mahomes would be the starter next year. Like they were getting ready to shop smith, thats how much i thought i read they liked mahomes. 

Both things can be true... they love Mahomes, but not the deal Dorsey made to draft him.

In exchange for the rights to get Mahomes, the Chiefs gave up this year's first-round pick (No. 27 overall), this year's third-round pick (91st overall) and a 2018 first-round pick.

@tour2ma said:

Because it may have been a major reason why Dorsey was fired?

Was it? I thought the chiefs almost explicitly stated mahomes would be the starter next year. Like they were getting ready to shop smith, thats how much i thought i read they liked mahomes. 

@syd said:

how can you say Mahomes  was a bad trade ?

Because it may have been a major reason why Dorsey was fired?

@tiamat63 said:

Don't worry, we won't have to reach to take Mayfield.  We'll Shmuck that up without breaking a sweat.

Mayfield first overall?  I wonder what my new NFL team would be...