@dutch-oven said:

I didn't, I implied others did.

Man, you must be an absolute blast to hang around with. A real people person, you are.

I don't think you know what the turn of phrase you used actually means. 

The PC nut and SJW telling me I'm not a blast to hang around with. That's really rich.

@wargograw said:

Then don't say it's confusing?

I didn't, I implied others did.

Man, you must be an absolute blast to hang around with. A real people person, you are.

@dutch-oven said:

Oh I understand the story wargo... I'm Italian, I understand extortion when I see it.

Then don't say it's confusing?

@boo-fagley said:

Its not the point that Allen is more athletic. Rosen has negative rush yards by design. 

If there only was a 5 Superbowl champion who had also 150 negative rush yards in his college career...

@boo-fagley said:

@wargograw said:

Uhh yeah. You know, the whole bearing the wrath of God for our sins thing....

Oh I understand the story wargo... I'm Italian, I understand extortion when I see it.

@boo-fagley said:

Rosen has negative 154 rushing yards.

Allen has 770 positive rushing yards.

Allen is asked to generate a run offense for Wyoming. An average of 8 rush attempts per game in 17 and an average of 10 rush attempts in 16.

So now you can go to my first post in this thread. Obviously Allen is more athletic and gets yards with his feet, but if I have to choose between a passer or an athletic QB, I go passer first. 

@nero said:

@dutch-oven said:

Would Jesus count as one roster spot or three?

I'd worry about Jesus' ability to escape the rush... The Romans didn't have much trouble getting hold of him.

Or is it two? Hypostatic union you know.

@dutch-oven said:

So getting crucified was part of the Process.

Uhh yeah. You know, the whole bearing the wrath of God for our sins thing....

@londonbrown said:

He’s someone that needs a lot of time and coaching

We have neither 

If we sign a solid vet like Alex Smith we do have time. I'd be all for that path forward starting the vet and developing Allen. 

@the-gipper said:

Uhh....errr,  ahh...yea....concussed.  And I'm going out with Morgan Fairchild.

agree 100 pct

@syd said:

last i heard was no they say he is concussed

Uhh....errr,  ahh...yea....concussed.  And I'm going out with Morgan Fairchild.

@dutch-oven said:

So is Rosen playing tonight or not?

I think a bigger concern about Rosen than his personality is his ability to stay on the field.

last i heard was no they say he is concussed

@boo-fagley said:

You implied that the jump from 56% to 60% is uncommon and could be a real mountain to climb. A grand total of 4 additional completions per 100 pass attempts. So, I do not mind pointing out to you that Its only a mole hill.

Nope. I would agree if we were talking about the same competition. 

The point is that the trend is that QB's completion pct decreases from NCAA to NFL: better defenses and faster and more skillful players equals smaller windows, thus less passes completed. If the benchmark is in 60%, you can expect it to be reached easier by the guys who already put those numbers or higher in College than the ones who don't. 

And if you think that's useless, the difference between 62,5 (Rosen this year) and 56,2 (Allen), 6,3% difference, means that if you took this season's Browns, with a 54,4% completions,  they would have a 60,7%, thus 2 more completions per game (have an average of 36,3 pass attempts). 

That would be 20 yards per game (Browns have 10yds per completion), and Browns would go 5 spots up in Pass Offense (from 26 to 21). Damn it, if the Raiders did that they would go 9 spots up in Pass Offense. To put things in perspective, the team with most Yds/G is the Pats, and have less than 100 Yds/G more than the worst team, the Bills, so 20 yards is a big chunk.

@boo-fagley said:

Allen is not in a pass oriented NFL offense and he is asked to run the ball which is something that NFL teams wont allow. 

Allen's team has 4 more rush attempts per game than UCLA. There goes your mole hill. 

@boo-fagley said:

Allens offensive line would get him killed if he stayed 1 more season.

Yep. He should go now. Stock will not get any better.

@dutch-oven said:

Would Jesus count as one roster spot or three?

I'd worry about Jesus' ability to escape the rush... The Romans didn't have much trouble getting hold of him.

Hue would find a way to nail him to the goal post.

@dutch-oven said:

So getting crucified was part of the Process.

Who says religion is confusing?

Exactly.  Sashi Brown and Hue Jackson were actually dying for our sins.  (but why does it seem like it is WE who are dying for their sins)?  I guess that makes Jimmy Haslam Pontius Pilate?   Perhaps we all should begin to feel more like the Pharisees or the San Hedrin.

I mean, think about it however.....We Browns fans are more actually like the Jewish people:    we have suffered a Diaspora due to economic conditions that have spread us out all over the World.

....and...this era of Browns football can only be called a Holocaust.

@the-gipper said:

Jesus himself would just be one spot.   The other parts of the Trinity, the Father and the Holy Ghost.....can be stashed away on the Practice Squad. Being ethereal helps that.

As for Jesus being caught by the Romans....well, that was just part of the overall plan.   You know....like tanking games in order to the the top draft pick.

So getting crucified was part of the Process.

Who says religion is confusing?

@dutch-oven said:

Would Jesus count as one roster spot or three?

I'd worry about Jesus' ability to escape the rush... The Romans didn't have much trouble getting hold of him.

Jesus himself would just be one spot.   The other parts of the Trinity, the Father and the Holy Ghost.....can be stashed away on the Practice Squad. Being ethereal helps that.

As for Jesus being caught by the Romans....well, that was just part of the overall plan.   You know....like tanking games in order to get  the top draft pick.

I'd worry about Jesus' ability to escape the rush... The Romans didn't have much trouble getting hold of him.

And, by the way....see my Christmas thread.  Note that the names Jesus and Joshua are literally just variants of the same name.

And "Jesus/Joshua" means, translated literally "Yahweh (God) is Salvation".  

So?  Are one of the Jesus/Joshuas going to be the Browns Salvation?

Or....do we have to turn to the Illuminati....who are supposedly connected to the "Masons".   (Rudolph)?

http://www.truthaboutangelsanddemons.com/illuminati-ambigrams/articles/the-illuminati-and-the-freemasons.html

@nero said:

So, looking at that, I'd pick the guy whose team is based more on the offense (plus is a pro style offense, IIRC) than the guy who has less pass attempts, less completion %, and whose team is based more on the defense.

This year, Allen threw for 16 TD's. Last year, he threw for 28. Allen lost some star players from last year. go figure, eh?

His offensive line plays really tough - but they aren't pro draft type players.-

From 2016:

Tanner Gentry     WR     2017     Senior     0
Brian Hill     RB     2017     Junior     0
Jacob Hollister     TE     2017     Senior     0
Jake Maulhardt     WR     2017     Senior     0
Chase Roullier     C     2017     Senior     0
Lucas Wacha     ILB     2017     Senior     0

Allen lost his center, two wr's, his te, and a rb. So, how can anyone just ignore this, and go by his last year at Wyoming?

I don't know. Football is a lot more complicated that a few stats. Still led them to a bowl game this year.

We aren't experts, we don't get to sit down and interview these kids, we don't get to sit and ask them what they see on film, etc.

It's just fun, all this qb draft talk. I just want to get the right guy once and for all. and a veteran to step in would be good.

I think a bigger concern about Rosen than his personality is his ability to stay on the field.