@flugel said:

I know it.  I appreciate you letting me vent.  Merry Christmas my man!   

When you get a chance - I want my annual Oklahoma report from you Bacon. In particular, I want your insight about whether or not Zeus Jr  improved enough for an early round consideration.  Greg Pruitt (my avatar) was an Oklahoma back so I've always enjoyed that tradition there. That Anderson kid impressed the Hell out of me this year.

No worries, always fun chatting it up with you.  We are all frustrated.  Brown has been solid but I think he's risky in the first round since his pass protection isn't elite.  The Sooner I'd like to see in a Browns jersey is Kenneth Murray but he's only a freshman.

Safe and Merry Christmas to you as well!

@baconhound said:

This has been the case for years now.  Who are the fantastic free agents of the last 5 years of 5-11, 4-12 & 3-13 teams?  Unfortunately for the foreseeable future the only chance the Browns will have to improve is the draft.  I'll give Sashi credit for recognizing that.  Until they draft quality players and show promise they will stink.  

I know it.  I appreciate you letting me vent.  Merry Christmas my man!   

When you get a chance - I want my annual Oklahoma report from you Bacon. In particular, I want your insight about whether or not Zeus Jr  improved enough for an early round consideration.  Greg Pruitt (my avatar) was an Oklahoma back so I've always enjoyed that tradition there. That Anderson kid impressed the Hell out of me this year.

@flugel said:

I agree with some of your points but if you go 0-16 after going 0-15 - what do you think the collective thought in every player and agent's head right now?  WTF am I doing here and when is the first chance I have to escape?    That's why I don't agree with the guys posting this franchise is moving in the right direction despite the record.  The record is going to stir every semi-decent FA about to be available in 2018 into don't even consider Cleveland mode. 

This has been the case for years now.  Who are the fantastic free agents of the last 5 years of 5-11, 4-12 & 3-13 teams?  Unfortunately for the foreseeable future the only chance the Browns will have to improve is the draft.  I'll give Sashi credit for recognizing that.  Until they draft quality players and show promise they will stink.  

@baconhound said:

Hogan was solid against the Jets only and I watched the game and the offense wasn't lighting the world on fire.  Kizer has been bad but again the Fooking Team Stinks.  I really don't understand the bubble in Cleveland.  In the offseason the Browns are just a player or 2 away.  Then it's the coaches fault.  Then the QB's fault.  Here is a newsflash that may crush the pumpers, THE TEAM SUCKS.  Top to bottom the Cleveland Browns are horrible.  This isn't turning around with a coach, a QB, RB, WR, etc.  It is going to take a bunch of good moves and maybe then they'll be relevant.

I agree with some of your points but if you go 0-16 after going 0-15 - what do you think the collective thought in every player and agent's head right now?  WTF am I doing here and when is the first chance I have to escape?    That's why I don't agree with the guys posting this franchise is moving in the right direction despite the record.  The record is going to stir every semi-decent FA about to be available in 2018 into don't even consider Cleveland mode. 

@thomam3 said:

These guys are in on it with Hue. They want us to lose too  F it. Let Kizer start the last game so he can drop those stats even lower. Hue can then take Kizer with him to cinci. 

We already locked up the #1 pick since everyone on the planet knows we're not beating Pittsburgh in the final game even if they just play their junior varsity skill players like they did last year.  Again, they knew they could go with "if we can't beat Cleveland - they'll just beat themselves for us."  Very reliable formula just ask the Bears today.  Nassib gave them their 1st TD with his first penalty.His 2nd penalty erased Garrett's pick 6 because he was only 1 of 2 Pro football players in the game that didn't know how to line up onside (which is almost as good as a high school player)....  We CUT better players than this guy like that white DE who's name escapes me right now.

@flugel said:

Hogan outplayed him every single time they appeared in the same game after having the best QB rating throughout the preseason.  You've seen that - you're just reluctant to admit it for some reason.  Poe posted all the comparisons more than once. All you gotta do is look at all the different game logs. Hogan's only start was his worst outing.  And I'm not convinced Hue didn't set him up to fail on purpose. 

Try to remember Kizer led Notre Dame to a 4-8 record before they improved to 9-2 (with a blowout victory over the Pac 12 Champion) in 2017. 

Hogan was solid against the Jets only and I watched the game and the offense wasn't lighting the world on fire.  Kizer has been bad but again the Fooking Team Stinks.  I really don't understand the bubble in Cleveland.  In the offseason the Browns are just a player or 2 away.  Then it's the coaches fault.  Then the QB's fault.  Here is a newsflash that may crush the pumpers, THE TEAM SUCKS.  Top to bottom the Cleveland Browns are horrible.  This isn't turning around with a coach, a QB, RB, WR, etc.  It is going to take a bunch of good moves and maybe then they'll be relevant.

@clevfan4life said:

Throwing the ball again as he's going down. I cant do this anymore

Just when I thought only a pet rock was dumber than Brandon Weeden - I've had to gag on Kizer playing Santa Claus to every opponent (usually multiple times).

@flugel said:

Hogan outplayed him every single time they appeared in the same game after having the best QB rating throughout the preseason.  You've seen that - you're just reluctant to admit it for some reason.  Poe posted all the comparisons more than once. All you gotta do is look at all the different game logs. Hogan's only start was his worst outing.  And I'm not convinced Hue didn't set him up to fail on purpose. 

Try to remember Kizer led Notre Dame to a 4-8 record before they improved to 9-2 (with a blowout victory over the Pac 12 Champion) in 2017. 

These guys are in on it with Hue. They want us to lose too  F it. Let Kizer start the last game so he can drop those stats even lower. Hue can then take Kizer with him to cinci. 

But the Bears look like they may have found a QB to rebuild with, so good on ya Chicago

@baconhound said:

Kessler was ok last year but has been horrific this year and Hogan is a WR trying to act like a NFL QB.  Kizer has been terrible but there isn't a better option and I'd say Josh Mccown would be better.  The Browns QBs stink, it's a fact.

Hogan outplayed him every single time they appeared in the same game after having the best QB rating throughout the preseason.  You've seen that - you're just reluctant to admit it for some reason.  Poe posted all the comparisons more than once. All you gotta do is look at all the different game logs. Hogan's only start was his worst outing.  And I'm not convinced Hue didn't set him up to fail on purpose; especially if his buddy Marvin Lewis told him his plans to step down long before anyone else. Typical stuff for Cleveland Browns fans to endure while we'll be asked to be patient  for the 10th or 11th straight year after winning 10 games in 2007.

Try to remember Kizer led Notre Dame to a 4-8 record before they improved to 9-2 (with a blowout victory over the Pac 12 Champion) in 2017. 

@browns149 said:

The other 2 proved they are worse. Kessler just ducks as soon as he takes the snap. And Hogan is about the same. The 3 of them are terrible, but Kizer is the least terrible 

Which is one of the reasons this is so hard to watch.  I don't understand letting Mccown go for the $$ this year.

@browns149 said:

The other 2 proved they are worse. Kessler just ducks as soon as he takes the snap. And Hogan is about the same. The 3 of them are terrible, but Kizer is the least terrible 

Stats. Check them. 

@thomam3 said:

Nope. Not true at all. He is the worst. He proves it every week. 

The other 2 proved they are worse. Kessler just ducks as soon as he takes the snap. And Hogan is about the same. The 3 of them are terrible, but Kizer is the least terrible 

@baconhound said:

LOL.  4th & 10 and a player comes untouched and you blame the QB, hilarious.  Kizer has been awful today but don't blame him for schit that isn't in him.

You are right. I apologize. Like I told someone earlier. Totally not kizers fault. He is who he is. Hue knows he sucks and starts him every week. Hues fault. Fire Hue. 

@thomam3 said:

You are an idiot if you think Kizer is better then Kessler or Hogan. Total moron. Hue really wants out of Cleveland. Why else would he start the worst qb on the roster? Begging to be fired! Should have just pulled a Bobby Petrino. 

not just worst on the roster but #35 in a 32 team league.

@thomam3 said:

There you go. Another pick. Like I said. Morons.

LOL.  4th & 10 and a player comes untouched and you blame the QB, hilarious.  Kizer has been awful today but don't blame him for schit that isn't on him.

@browns149 said:

I wouldn’t say Kizer is the worst. He’s better then both Of his backups.  But they all suck

Nope. Not true at all. He is the worst. He proves it every week.