@ghoolie said:

We beat DeVry Technical  23 - 17 at Lakewood Park, in 2015.

That win was removed from the books due to the browns using ineligible coaches. They had got fired but didn't know it at game time.

@tour2ma said:

I'd think it was the Lions 12 wins in '06-'09.

So Huey Fester will need to go 8-8 at least to avoid yet another ignominious "record". He's already on course to do worse than Mike Shula the worst 5 year coach ever.

@marc1971 said:

What's the worst 4 year record an NFL team has ever had in the modern era?

I'd think it was the Lions 12 wins in '06-'09.

@boo-fagley said:

Alex Smith should be good for 5 - 6 wins alone.

With RB and WR addressed as well... I agree. Has struck me as the best "gettable" QB out there for months now...

@roycerolls said:

I’ll let ya know after next season. 

Think we'll need 7-8 wins in order for it to NOT be the Browns.

@marc1971 said:

What's the worst 4 year record an NFL team has ever had in the modern era?

I’ll let ya know after next season. 

@dutch-oven said:

The Browns are 1-31 in the last two seasons.

I can't for the life of me remember what the last win was before that.

We beat DeVry Technical  23 - 17 at Lakewood Park, in 2015.

@texasag1969 said:

Manziel?

EDIT: Yep - 270 yd 1 TD 24-10 over the 49ers.

I vaguely remember it.

Man, these last two seasons have felt like a dozen.

@texasag1969 said:

Manziel?

EDIT: Yep - 270 yd 1 TD 24-10 over the 49ers.

and as mentioned the last win we had on a sunday the charger game was on a saturday

@dutch-oven said:

The Browns are 1-31 in the last two seasons.

I can't for the life of me remember what the last win was before that.

Manziel?

EDIT: Yep - 270 yd 1 TD 24-10 over the 49ers.

I can't for the life of me remember what the last win was before that.

Sure.  There's nothing in the laws of physics that says they can't.  But they won't.

The pompous Harvard Think Tank is dismantled.  Dorsey is going to spend some money in free agency to bring in a few veterans.  They'll probably acquire a veteran QB.  And they have a load of draft picks.

We'll probably get back to that 3 or 4 win territory that we're all so familiar with.

@ghoolie said:

Why won't you idiots ever listen to me? I told you Phil Sewage was a coffee fetcher, so was Holmgren and Sashi too.

Dorsey, now DORKEY, is a coffee fetcher. He didn't come here to shake the world up, he came here to be politically correct, to play it safe, to make the owner happy, and to pad his checkbook. Haslam, like Lerner before him is the problem. When you have a guy who doesn't know jack about football as an owner, he listens to the same locals and forms his opinion. In his day, Jim Brown always complained that he didn't have the line that Taylor had, Dieken blabs on and on about the OL, Kosar....same thing.

The Browns have purposely failed to participate in acquiring playmakers and to focus on the most important part of football...................... OFFENSE. This is not going to change now. Dorkey will do whatever makes Haslam happy. 

Making matters worse, the guys chimes in that the talent on the team is not very good. What the hell kind of leader calls his team out for being bad players?

Seriously, would you want to play or work for this schidtpile of a franchise? Look man, most Browns fans hated Modell. There was always a narrative that Cleveland didn't need Art, that the fans, and local football minds were far smarter than Art, and that it would be easy to rise to the SB once we were rid of Art. Well, the majority got their wish. Now you have an butt clown owner in an butt clown city full of people that think trading down, amassing "assets" and taking schidt like Garrett and Coleman is a recipe for success. Many here actually think keeping Hue would be the sign of continuity that we need. This is like banging your nuts with a brick and looking forward to the day when the brick breaks.

This franchise shoudl never have been named the Browns. 

The Browns play in Baltimore and they are called the Ravens. Browns fans did this to themselves, and I am happy for it. Instead of letting the Browns name die gracefully, fans preferred to let a stranger urinate on it and drag the corpse through the mud for the entire world to laugh at. NOW? Now we have a coach who is going to jump into Lake Erie, humiliate himself and the team further, and idiots are going to rub more salt into the wounds by having an 0 - 16 parade.

In other words, Browns fans react to total failure and disgrace by bringing MORE money to Haslam and to the city.

Amazing.

GO BROWNS

@7moses7 said:

why would Dorsey take the job if he couldn't hire his own coach,he must be a Retard like Hue and Jimmy

Why won't you idiots ever listen to me? I told you Phil Sewage was a coffee fetcher, so was Holmgren and Sashi too.

Dorsey, now DORKEY, is a coffee fetcher. He didn't come here to shake the world up, he came here to be politically correct, to play it safe, to make the owner happy, and to pad his checkbook. Haslam, like Lerner before him is the problem. When you have a guy who doesn't know jack about football as an owner, he listens to the same locals and forms his opinion. In his day, Jim Brown always complained that he didn't have the line that Taylor had, Dieken blabs on and on about the OL, Kosar....same thing.

The Browns have purposely failed to participate in acquiring playmakers and to focus on the most important part of football...................... OFFENSE. This is not going to change now. Dorkey will do whatever makes Haslam happy. 

Making matters worse, the guys chimes in that the talent on the team is not very good. What the hell kind of leader calls his team out for being bad players?

Seriously, would you want to play or work for this schidtpile of a franchise? Look man, most Browns fans hated Modell. There was always a narrative that Cleveland didn't need Art, that the fans, and local football minds were far smarter than Art, and that it would be easy to rise to the SB once we were rid of Art. Well, the majority got their wish. Now you have an butt clown owner in an butt clown city full of people that think trading down, amassing "assets" and taking schidt like Garrett and Coleman is a recipe for success. Many here actually think keeping Hue would be the sign of continuity that we need. This is like banging your nuts with a brick and looking forward to the day when the brick breaks.

This franchise shoudl never have been named the Browns. 

The Browns play in Baltimore and they are called the Ravens. Browns fans did this to themselves, and I am happy for it. Instead of letting the Browns name die gracefully, fans preferred to let a stranger urinate on it and drag the corpse through the mud for the entire world to laugh at. NOW? Now we have a coach who is going to jump into Lake Erie, humiliate himself and the team further, and idiots are going to rub more salt into the wounds by having an 0 - 16 parade.

In other words, Browns fans react to total failure and disgrace by bringing MORE money to Haslam and to the city.

Amazing.

Hue-Hue is 1-31 with the Browns, and even if you count his 8-8 record with the Raiders, would need to go better than 10-13 in his next season and a half to NOT become the worst 5 year head coach of all time in modern NFL history.

But Jimmeh sez Hue's got magic.

@d-bone said:

With baby huey still in the building, there's not a doubt in my mind the Browns will find themselves 0-5, and once they get there, the threatening back-to-back 0-16 will haunt them week after week, and the mounting pressure will simply be enormous. 

Now I may change my stance if the Browns sign Cousins, but as I sit here today I think they'll make history..... again. 

In that scenario Hue would probably set another record- earliest in the season ever firing of a HC. 

FWIW, my only hope for a few wins would be to get Smith from KC, draft best qb, and draft Fitzpatrick to shore up a suspect secondary. RB with one of the second round picks. 

@tour2ma said:

Viable view, but if reports that he knows who he wants for his HC are true, isn't it likely that he has already discussed their future together with his guy? No reason not to when Dorsey was a "private citizen" for five months.

And if he has, then why wait and risk the guy getting tabbed by the half dozen or more teams who will be searching for their next HC over the coming months?

The theory I have in mind is Dorsey eithet has a list of guys he wants and is laying the foundation, plus trying to rebuild the Browns reputation of being unfair to Coaches, OR he has a specific coach he wants but that coach said no, give me something to work with first. 

The unfortunate truth is Cleveland is a toxic wasteland to Coaches and QB's and it is going to take a ton of work to get rid of that reputation. 

@vikingdawg said:

If Dorsey wants his own Coach then playing it out like this IS the smart move. Gives him time to bring in playmakers and get a QB so he can lure in good candidates for a change. 

Viable view, but if reports that he knows who he wants for his HC are true, isn't it likely that he has already discussed their future together with his guy? No reason not to when Dorsey was a "private citizen" for five months.

And if he has, then why wait and risk the guy getting tabbed by the half dozen or more teams who will be searching for their next HC over the coming months?

@boo-fagley said:

No breaks on the schedule.

Yup... the main factor.

Only viable offset I can see hinges on landing a desirable vet QB.

@7moses7 said:

why would Dorsey take the job if he couldn't hire his own coach,he must be a Retard like Hue and Jimmy

If Dorsey wants his own Coach then playing it out like this IS the smart move. Gives him time to bring in playmakers and get a QB so he can lure in good candidates for a change.