@marc1971 said:

GTFO Haslam

Is there a chart for the pre-Haslam years?

@texasag1969 said:

war-just think about it as you gain life experiences over the years. It will make more sense when you get my age, but I'll be long gone by then. if I could leave you with gifts from Christianity as I understand it, I would leave you the gifts of empathy and insight, which actually blend into one another. And like Christianity they are a never ending search for both. Maybe that's why I'm a little harder on you than others, for I know what path you have chosen. It is not an easy path and you will be tested to your limits. May God be with you every step of the way.  Bill

Thanks I appreciate that.

The Browns Parade raised $17,157 for the Greater Cleveland Food Bank, which equates to 68,628 meals, according to their website. With perishable food donations included, over 70,000 meals will be provided thanks to the Parade.

@brownb499 said:

That's the problem Steve! There's always a Corey Coleman!!!  That's how you end up 1- 31!

There's always a dropped pass, a dropped interception, a missed block, lined up offside, didn't get the sack,missed the field goal!!! Goddammit man make a Shmucking play!!!

That's the slim margin in the NFL between winning and losing. Every person in the organization has to be committed to doing one Shmucking thing to change the outcome of the game!!!

Name the last time Shelton made a play that changed the outcome of a game.... Ravens in 15 he missed a block that allowed the Ravens to block a field!!

The only thing the guy has ever done is cost us games...Has ever made a big sack on 3rd down when we really needed it? stripped the ball for fumble? Any of these guy's EVER made a play to change the outcome of a game? ( Hint!!! Jamie Meder )

Sorry man we're  1-31!!!  And your telling me they're playing hard? We are 1-31!!!

we don't have anyone that is a playmaker...geeeeee, i guess that is why we were 0-16...fuking duh....

@wargograw said:

I have defended myself. You on the other hand (and everyone else except Hoorta) have yet to show how the analogy doesn’t work. So you’re the one with no defense. 

And I can’t even remember a single post of yours. 

Ah, I see you're now going the Ghoolie route of pretending to be king crap of turd island. Cool man, cool. 

Keep on rockin and being a piece of human garbage and revel in the fact you think you're holier than thou on a football message forum. What a way to live.

@jrb12711 said:

Dude, you made a terrible analogy about an awful life event, shut the Shmuck up you piece of crap.

Defend yourself first for being an awful person. You've frankly become the worst poster on the board the past two months. 

I have defended myself. You on the other hand (and everyone else except Hoorta) have yet to show how the analogy doesn’t work. So you’re the one with no defense. 

And I can’t even remember a single post of yours. 

@hoorta said:

I'll just say there's a big difference in consoling a kid who's peewee football team isn't very good, and a grown man making millions of dollars playing a kids game. Of course Coleman felt terrible dropping that pass, of course all the players are embarrassed and frustrated they couldn't even win a game. So Danny, just rub a few $100 dollar bills on that hurt (from the $3+ million) you're going to collect for playing in 2018. You're going to feel better real soon. 

I’m not saying the players are going to have some emotional breakdown from which they can’t recover. I’m saying mocking something you love to make yourself feel better makes zero sense. 

@texasag1969 said:

You made it up passing it off as truth. You have obviously never known any parents who have lost a child in this manner or you would never have used it as the basis for your argument in the first place. That is and remains my point.

If that’s your point then you should be satisfied with the edit. 

@dutch-oven said:

I've been trying to find where in this thread my "terrible argument has been exposed", but I can't find it because of all the people clogging this thread to tear you a new back door.

But hey, you have Princess calfox on your side.

Like I said, I'm living rent-free in your head now.

The fact you refuse to address it and instead just lob ad hominems is evidence enough. You’ve got nothing. The analogy may be dark, but your point was bad. You too are invited to argue against the new, more sensitive analogies. You haven’t, because you know you can’t. 

@westside-steve said:

For me the bottom line is this:

You can apply this to most of the guys on the team, the team I grew up rooting for and still do. When Corey Coleman drop that pass I bet he felt horrible and probably feel horrible for a long time after that game. I personally wanted to hug the guy. He didn't drop the pass because he's a bad guy, he screwed up. He made a mistake. Different players made a lot of mistakes this season.

There are people whose first reaction is to laugh in the man's face and flip him the bird.

Luckily I would imagine that's only a very small percentage of the fans. At least that would be my hope.

Don't act like a bunch of shjt eating Steeler fans.

WSS

That's the problem Steve! There's always a Corey Coleman!!!  That's how you end up 1- 31!

There's always a dropped pass, a dropped interception, a missed block, lined up offside, didn't get the sack,missed the field goal!!! Goddammit man make a Shmucking play!!!

That's the slim margin in the NFL between winning and losing. Every person in the organization has to be committed to doing one Shmucking thing to change the outcome of the game!!!

Name the last time Shelton made a play that changed the outcome of a game.... Ravens in 15 he missed a block that allowed the Ravens to block a field!! 

The only thing the guy has ever done is cost us games...Has ever made a big sack on 3rd down when we really needed it? stripped the ball for fumble? Any of these guy's EVER made a play to change the outcome of a game? ( Hint!!! Jamie Meder )

Sorry man we're  1-31!!!  And your telling me they're playing hard? We are 1-31!!!

@wargograw said:

I'm sorry your terrible argument's been exposed and now you have to resort to lame insults, man. Maybe next time your original position will be stronger. Any time you want to actually defend it, I'll be waiting.

I've been trying to find where in this thread my "terrible argument has been exposed", but I can't find it because of all the people clogging this thread to tear you a new back door.

But hey, you have Princess calfox on your side.

Like I said, I'm living rent-free in your head now.

@tour2ma said:

To compare the parade with the '95 protests about the move is beyond ludicrous.

I've been called worse.  

He didn't paint it as THE determinative factor in a FA's decision, just a potential negative... which it is.

To compare the parade with the '95 protests about the move is beyond ludicrous.

@wargograw said:

I'm sorry your terrible argument's been exposed and now you have to resort to lame insults, man. Maybe next time your original position will be stronger. Any time you want to actually defend it, I'll be waiting.

I'll just say there's a big difference in consoling a kid who's peewee football team isn't very good, and a grown man making millions of dollars playing a kids game. Of course Coleman felt terrible dropping that pass, of course all the players are embarrassed and frustrated they couldn't even win a game. So Danny, just rub a few $100 dollar bills on that hurt (from the $3+ million) you're going to collect for playing in 2018. You're going to feel better real soon. 

@calfoxwc said:

and yet, if the ratbirds had a winless season, I wonder if some misguided, whiny redass "fans" would have had a parade....

Precedent is now set...yes, they would have to have one.

@the-gipper said:

Yea, sure.   The Browns had more people at a game than the Ravens did....and they were playing for a playoff spot.   Clearly you forgot to put your entire post in pink.

and yet, if the ratbirds had a winless season, I wonder if some misguided, whiny redass "fans" would have had a parade....

@dutch-oven said:

Now is this your real kid or the hypothetical kid you made up that got miscarried?

Hopefully the Hamilton Tiger-cats or whoever Johnny Manziel signed with fansite isn't as vile and disgusting as this one is. I doubt any CFL fans would compare a 0-18 Toronto Argonauts season to something like a miscarriage.

And I'll eagerly await another one of your pathetic attempts to dig yourself out of the hole you dug for yourself, since it's obvious that I live rent-free in your head. Or you can take the hint from all the people who have ripped you on this thread and others and walk away. I'm guessing your ego won't allow you to do that.

   His analogy technically rings very true - it's just that it also carries with it emotional hurt impact from some who have actually known it happening first hand. But you are, again, stirring up a cowpie, and demanding an apology for how much the cowpie stinks. Let it go.

  Someone who isn't married, etc etc, can be forgiven for using an analogy like that, and not understanding the emotional impact of it for a lot of folks.

@canton-mike said:

Gipper,

I hope you're kidding...FAN SUPPORT???..cowpoop!!!!!!   Get off your butt, come to a game, look at the empty seats, alleged fans leaving games early, those same fans(?) booing the Browns & probably the same fans who approved of the parade?...SUPPORT????...I DO want to thank you for this highly supportive post I have quoted. Obviously you don't know what support is!

Mike

Yea, sure.   The Browns had more people at a game than the Ravens did....and they were playing for a playoff spot.   Clearly you forgot to put your entire post in pink.

@wargograw said:

If I had the kind of relationship with someone where I could actually explain everything through and through, I'd be happy to. Have you ever read a Martin Luther book? Guy would wipe his bottom with his opponent's writings and mail it to them. But yeah using a completely made up hypothetical situation about a woman and child that don't even exist, THAT'S worth coming out about. You've gotta be kidding me. This is by far the most vile, vulgar site I've ever been on, and I don't see you rebuking anyone else. And I don't participate in any of them. You seem to have a real obsession with Trump. You Pro-Choice too? Where's your outrage about that? That's real. Mine is MADE UP. Read it again and try to process.

Nevertheless, still waiting for anyone to actually refute the point. Do a softer version of the analogy if you want. If the absurdity of Dutch's point is revealed, which it was, then the analogy has served its purpose. 

It's like my kid losing his Pee-Wee championship and he's in tears and me making fun of him instead of consoling him. Or an employee who just lost a $1M deal. A teacher with a student who failed a test. It could be anything. Better? Now can we actually discuss the merits? I'm sure you guys won't, because Dutch's point was indefensible, but I'll wait.

You made it up passing it off as truth. You have obviously never known any parents who have lost a child in this manner or you would never have used it as the basis for your argument in the first place. That is and remains my point.

@wargograw said:

I'm sorry your terrible argument's been exposed and now you have to resort to lame insults, man. Maybe next time your original position will be stronger. Any time you want to actually defend it, I'll be waiting.

Dude, you made a terrible analogy about an awful life event, shut the Shmuck up you piece of crap.

Defend yourself first for being an awful person. You've frankly become the worst poster on the board the past two months. 

@dutch-oven said:

Now is this your real kid or the hypothetical kid you made up that got miscarried?

Hopefully the Hamilton Tiger-cats or whoever Johnny Manziel signed with fansite isn't as vile and disgusting as this one is. I doubt any CFL fans would compare a 0-18 Toronto Argonauts season to something like a miscarriage.

And I'll eagerly await another one of your pathetic attempts to dig yourself out of the hole you dug for yourself, since it's obvious that I live rent-free in your head. Or you can take the hint from all the people who have ripped you on this thread and others and walk away. I'm guessing your ego won't allow you to do that.

I'm sorry your terrible argument's been exposed and now you have to resort to lame insults, man. Maybe next time your original position will be stronger. Any time you want to actually defend it, I'll be waiting.