@hoorta said:

As Ag mentioned to you, Google is your friend....   https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

I'll let you put a value meter on their players.     

They will likely dump Hali for sure...as he is at the end of the line.

@the-gipper said:

OK, so KC will be under the gun:  Do they keep Smith...or some of their other "high priced" vets.   Who are those guys?  And would they be more or less expendable than Smith to the Chiefs?

As Ag mentioned to you, Google is your friend....   https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs/

I'll let you put a value meter on their players.     

@hoorta said:

You're dreaming. It only takes two teams to start a bidding war U. Kansas City has an asset that we (and several other teams) may find desirable. The Browns definitely don't have all the cards. This isn't even remotely comparable to us getting a second round pick to take Osweiler off the Texans' hands- Smith is a proven commodity, Osweiler stunk in Houston. 

Second things first. Vikings China Doll Bradford, or bum knee Teddy? Going for factory seconds again? No thanks. 

As to no other team being able to bid, Wrongo. We probably have the most draft assets to win a bidding war, but there's a bunch of other QB needy teams that can finagle (or easily manage) to get Smith's salary under the cap. Take a look. 

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

Cardinals- $10 milion

Jaguars (short of winning the Super Bowl, they may dump Bortles) $17 million

Broncos (shades of getting Manning, their window is closing fast) $29 million

Bills (bye Tyrod, hello Alex, BTW they have two first round picks one of which would trump one of our seconds) $31 million

Redskins (if Cousins walks) $52 million. 

Jets $72 million

See above- only thing I'll disagree on Gip is to keep Smith, they would have to dump several high priced vets to stay under the cap. Even trading a guy like Eric Berry wouldn't get it done...   Good point on the Broncos though...   

OK, so KC will be under the gun:  Do they keep Smith...or some of their other "high priced" vets.   Who are those guys?  And would they be more or less expendable than Smith to the Chiefs?

@unsympathetic said:

None of this. For the love of God, make none of it happen.  And I don't think it does happen --- because of money.

Chiefs are over the cap before signing any of their own FA's and think they're going to get picks?  No way. Browns have all the cards.  If Chiefs want to make a trade, they need to add picks for us to take their salary.

You're dreaming. It only takes two teams to start a bidding war U. Kansas City has an asset that we (and several other teams) may find desirable. The Browns definitely don't have all the cards. This isn't even remotely comparable to us getting a second round pick to take Osweiler off the Texans' hands- Smith is a proven commodity, Osweiler stunk in Houston. 

@unsympathetic said:

I think we wait out KC and KC gives us a 6th to take Smith off their cap.

Browns are the only team they can trade with -- they need that cap relief both for resigning their own and other FA and draft picks..

That means we hold the cards, period -- we could just sign one of the MIN QB's if need be.

Second things first. Vikings China Doll Bradford, or bum knee Teddy? Going for factory seconds again? No thanks. 

As to no other team being able to bid, Wrongo. We probably have the most draft assets to win a bidding war, but there's a bunch of other QB needy teams that can finagle (or easily manage) to get Smith's salary under the cap. Take a look. 

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

Cardinals- $10 milion

Jaguars (short of winning the Super Bowl, they may dump Bortles) $17 million

Broncos (shades of getting Manning, their window is closing fast) $29 million

Bills (bye Tyrod, hello Alex, BTW they have two first round picks one of which would trump one of our seconds) $31 million

Redskins (if Cousins walks) $52 million. 

Jets $72 million

@the-gipper said:

How do you come to the conclusion that the Browns are the only team they can trade with?  Several teams may be looking for the services of Smith.  A few others may be in the same position that we are in....looking for a "bridge guy".  Cardinals for one.   I would say that the Broncos could be in for the services of Smith but the Chefs will not trade him in their division.  Hell...the Vikings may be looking for a QB of his stature...since all theirs will be FAs.  Redskins maybe if Cousins does not go back there.  Jets possibly.  Maybe even the Bills if they are Tyred of Tyrod. 

So...again, explain how we are the only ones. Hell....KC could just decide to keep him as well.  Why not?

See above- only thing I'll disagree on Gip is to keep Smith, they would have to dump several high priced vets to stay under the cap. Even trading a guy like Eric Berry wouldn't get it done...   Good point on the Broncos though...   

@unsympathetic said:

I think we wait out KC and KC gives us a 6th to take Smith off their cap.

Browns are the only team they can trade with -- they need that cap relief both for resigning their own and other FA and draft picks..

That means we hold the cards, period -- we could just sign one of the MIN QB's if need be.

How do you come to the conclusion that the Browns are the only team they can trade with?  Several teams may be looking for the services of Smith.  A few others may be in the same position that we are in....looking for a "bridge guy".  Cardinals for one.   I would say that the Broncos could be in for the services of Smith but the Chefs will not trade him in their division.  Hell...the Vikings may be looking for a QB of his stature...since all theirs will be FAs.  Redskins maybe if Cousins does not go back there.  Jets possibly.  Maybe even the Bills if they are Tyred of Tyrod. 

So...again, explain how we are the only ones. Hell....KC could just decide to keep him as well.  Why not?

Browns are the only team they can trade with -- they need that cap relief both for resigning their own and other FA and draft picks..

That means we hold the cards, period -- we could just sign one of the MIN QB's if need be.

@texasag1969 said:

Sounds more like a Cher political song in the making.

@tour2ma said:

But there is the counter pressure on KC to clear cap space... and only a trade clears the full $20mm.

And again, this cannot be stated enough. I get he may be worth in terms of value, but I'd bet a cold 6 pack he'll go for a late 2nd. It's well known the Chiefs are in a complete bind on how they can pay Smith the $20 million without making serious roster cuts to pay him. Who knows, maybe that's the route they go.

But don't forget what Houston gave US just to clear up cap space last year. Knowing the boner they have for Mahomes and the fact they are bent over a barrel cap space wise, teams aren't going to bend on draft value. There's no need to give up a valuable pick in the 30s.

@darren15 said:

Can we turn that into a Bon Jovi song ?

Sounds more like a Cher political song in the making.

Chiefs are over the cap before signing any of their own FA's and think they're going to get picks?  No way. Browns have all the cards.  If Chiefs want to make a trade, they need to add picks for us to take their salary.

@nero said:

Agreed on Smith. The Browns haven't had a good QB since... Kosar? Now you give a #33 and get 3 maybe 4 years of a good solid quaterback. Plus we have many other picks.

How many times you draft a second rounder and are THAT certain that he will contribute next 3 years? Just think of 3 years being able to FORGET about the QB position, because maybe Smith isn't great as Montana, but he's a good enough QB that if you get a good team around him will give you very good chances of becoming a contender. 

I can see Smith getting injured or the rookie QB that we draft not being as good as we thought he'd be or ending up as a bust. Anything can happen and you can't be 100% sure about anything. But I don't see happening both things at the same time.

This. ALL of this. Make it happen FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. 

And I think it actually does happen. 

@the-gipper said:

You give humanity and civility a bad name.

Can we turn that into a Bon Jovi song ?

@the-gipper said:

You give humanity and civility a bad name.

That's rich.

@tour2ma said:

In that case... you give logic a bad name.

You give humanity and civility a bad name.

@baconhound said:

No I’d trade #35 for Alex Smith and leave this years draft with #1, #4, #33 and Alex 

Plus the other second rounder.

@westside-steve said:

Not sure I'm following you. You would give 1 and 4 and 33 to get Alex Smith? 

I will trade them Kizer straight up. 

WSS

No I’d trade #35 for Alex Smith and leave this years draft with #1, #4, #33 and Alex 

@the-gipper said:

No Sheet SherlockNo Sheet Sherlock

In that case... you give logic a bad name.

@tour2ma said:

A 3rd + 6th is more than a 3rd...

No Sheet SherlockNo Sheet Sherlock

@tour2ma said:

Way to take a stand.

Sorry you can't follow the logic. I would not give up higher than a third rounder but if you give up a third rounder and a lore pick I would go along with that pier and simple what's your problem can't comprehend itSorry you can't follow the logic. I would not give up higher than a third rounder but if you give up a third rounder and a lore pick I would go along with that pier and simple what's your problem can't comprehend it

@the-gipper said:

... NO bridge QB, in my opinion is worth more than a 3rd rounder.  

If Smith cannot be gotten for a 3rd rounder....maybe I would throw in at best a 6th or 7th....

Way to take a stand.

We are not giving up a top 5 pick for Smith...Thus I don't see us as a player for Smith.