@flugel said:

Bootleg's are nice but 1 of the times Jimmy Garrapolo went outside the pocket at the beginning of 2018 - he ended up on IR.

A lot of times, Waggle Passes utilize QB bootlegs which are set up from the running game.  Teams use different terminologies but back in the late 80s-early 90s we set it up from the Buck series (sweep & trap) in the Delaware Wing-T.  When you have an athletic line skilled at trapping and pulling, you can put some really good eye candy on film.  When you don't,  the X's and Uh-O's can expose your QB to some trauma.

Back when Kyle Shanahan was here, he used the bootleg passes with Hoyer quite frequently. The reason for that is he had some success doing so especially early on when the Browns got off to a 7-4 start that nobody saw coming.  The problem he eventually encountered was once enough teams got this on film, it wasn't that difficult to stop and Hoyer began to struggle.   I remembered us being favored to beat Jax when they put on an absolute clinic on how to defend this.  

This is a terrific post, Flugel. Thanks for the input. 

Fans need to be ready for the obnoxious wide open tight end play, and hopefully we see it enough to adjust and stop it. I read a stat that showed the tremendous disparity between Garoppolo throwing under pressure vs clean pocket and it was startling. Bottom line? We get pressure and we can win. We don't, they WILL march it down the field and score a bunch of points on us. It'd be nice if they self destructed like they did against the Steelers (and somehow won btw), but I wouldn't count on it. They got lucky but we're a team that will definitely beat you if you turn it over 4 or 5 times. 

@jiggins7919 said:

I wanted this guy SO BADLY before he signed with San Francisco. I really thought he was an instant QB that you rarely get on the market and I would've traded lord knows what pick to get him. The accuracy, the quick release, and the ability to distribute the ball made him a lock for me. Will he end up being worth it? Time will tell, but his record is stupid amazing, I don't care WHO he's played. Lord man, how many times does that freaking play-action bootleg throw to the tight end work? Apparently a metric shit load. 

Speaking of bootleg, why don't we ever run that? Wasn't that bomb to Perriman off a bootleg last year? 

Bootleg's are nice but 1 of the times Jimmy Garrapolo went outside the pocket at the beginning of 2018 - he ended up on IR.

A lot of times, Waggle Passes utilize QB bootlegs which are set up from the running game.  Teams use different terminologies but back in the late 80s-early 90s we set it up from the Buck series (sweep & trap) in the Delaware Wing-T.  When you have an athletic line skilled at trapping and pulling, you can put some really good eye candy on film.  When you don't,  the X's and Uh-O's can expose your QB to some trauma.

Back when Kyle Shanahan was here, he used the bootleg passes with Hoyer quite frequently. The reason for that is he had some success doing so especially early on when the Browns got off to a 7-4 start that nobody saw coming.  The problem he eventually encountered was once enough teams got this on film, it wasn't that difficult to stop and Hoyer began to struggle.   I remembered us being favored to beat Jax when they put on an absolute clinic on how to defend this.  

Speaking of bootleg, why don't we ever run that? Wasn't that bomb to Perriman off a bootleg last year? 

Zombo said:

They'll sign him or franchise him

Z

I never really liked to tag key players -but- you might not want to see them walk away either. Besides being a tagged QB isn't exactly minimum wage, offensive players 2019 numbers:

Franchise Tags

QB: $24.865 million..... almost Mayfield numbers
RB: $11.214 million
WR: $16.787 million
TE: $10.387 million

Transition Tags

QB: $22.783 million
RB: $9.099 million
WR: $14.794 million
TE: $8.815 million

@5_golden_rings said:

Lol I just thought I'd point out that so far I am right. The Browns have turned a corner.

I’m glad I could entertain you with a two-year-old post. 

@the-gipper said:

Does Four Calling Birds agree with your assessment? And, you know...all the others?

Lol I just thought I'd point out that so far I am right. The Browns have turned a corner.

@the-gipper said:

Does Four Calling Birds agree with your assessment? And, you know...all the others?

The partridge pooped all over that post.

@5_golden_rings said:

This is what's important. As a 49er fan, I see Jimmy Garoppolo, and yeah he looks good, but he has a mechanical flaw on deep passes and threw 5 INTs. But then I think, well, he isn't quite Tom Brady, but my God he is MILES better than what the 49ers have had since Jeff Garcia.

That's how you have to look at it. Look at the Browns last two decades of drafts. The new GM is a DRASTIC upgrade, and will turn the tide for this franchise. Book it.

Does Four Calling Birds agree with your assessment? And, you know...all the others?

@topdawg31 said:

still more talent than our last 20 drafts.

This is what's important. As a 49er fan, I see Jimmy Garoppolo, and yeah he looks good, but he has a mechanical flaw on deep passes and threw 5 INTs. But then I think, well, he isn't quite Tom Brady, but my God he is MILES better than what the 49ers have had since Jeff Garcia.

That's how you have to look at it. Look at the Browns last two decades of drafts. The new GM is a DRASTIC upgrade, and will turn the tide for this franchise. Book it.

@boo-fagley said:

Big deal. Isnt that the whole point of having depth?

Youre griping about lower picks making the roster and helping the team make the post season.

And that depth helped turn a 5-0 start into what exactly?

That is an extremely good rate.

@boo-fagley said:

Fulton 6th round starting C

Tardif 6th round starting G

Roches 6th round starting DE

Hill 5th round starting WR

Sorenson undrafted starting S and only the KC leading tackler. 

West undrafdted starting Brian Westbrook type RB when healthy.

Nevermind. Thanks for playing.

You are welcome for doing the leg work for you. There are a couple good players in there. However, do I know need to show you how many of your "starters" were pressed into starting due to injury?

@tour2ma said:

But but but.... he's a football guy... now the name matters?

ahhh, I get it now. Well, I guess the new dude has 32 games to see if he can help build a team that wins at least a single game.... Win one and it's a push - go 0fer and it's a loss - win 2 and he's twice as shitty as Mr. Pompous was. 

But in all seriousness and to be completely fair, if he's saddled with Huey for 32 games like Sashi was, then I doubt he will be any more successful..... Like I've said before, I still can't believe Mr. Pompous was fired before the Cue Ball Headed Fool.  

As long as Jimmy and Dee are the ones actually pulling all of the strings, then this Brown puppet will flounder like the embarrassing turd its record says it is.  

@d-bone said:

I doubt you'll find a post of mine claiming our new dude as mine.... heck, as I type this I can't even remember his name.

But but but.... he's a football guy... now the name matters?

@boo-fagley said:

Kelce, Hunt, Hill, Peters, plus all the lower round talent that panned out.

Lower round talent that just rolls of the tongue (finger tips?) obviously...

@boo-fagley said:

Any player can be franchised with an expiring contract unless there is a no tag clause in the original contract.

Jimmy G is the property of SF and they will control his rights in 2018.

Uh, yea, we got that a couple of days ago. Catchup baby tomato.

@tour2ma said:

What? No faith in your "football guy"?

I doubt you'll find a post of mine claiming our new dude as mine.... heck, as I type this I can't even remember his name. 

@stillmotion said:

i usually don't do shoulda coulda woulda, but he was my favorite QB out of the draft class...

Yes he was... and you could actually spell his name.

@the-gipper said:

We have a whole generation of coulda, shoulda, woulda to look back on.

i usually don't do shoulda coulda woulda, but he was my favorite QB out of the draft class, I wanted him, he was smart with a lightning quick release, and Pettine liked him a lot too. But if Jimmy didn't meddle, we could of had him.

@tour2ma said:

What? No faith in your "football guy"?

How can we....given our history the last 18 years?  It is ingrained in our psyche that our FO is going to fuyuck up their draft picks.  Lets hope in this regard our expectations are NOT fulfilled.

@d-bone said:

What are the odds the Browns will write down Todd Blackledge instead of Elway, Marino or Kelly?

Me thinks pretty high....... 

What? No faith in your "football guy"?

@stillmotion said:

You know, we could've just drafted Jimmy G, instead of taking Manziel, and then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

We have a whole generation of coulda, shoulda, woulda to look back on.

Can two ex Browns failures actually be up for HC consideration?