@tour2ma said:

No more than you being infallible... or knowledgeable for that matter.

I am not infallible....or pretend to be.  That is your bailiwick. Or rather, your bailiwick is to take some point of minutiae that some poster made and leap for joy that you may have caught something that may have been error. 

You should change your screen name to Schadenfraude....as that is what you seem to be all about.

Zombo said:

As we all assumed, Ketone had Johnny forced on him and everybody knew that was the end:

http://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/11/joe-thomas-johnny-manziel-was-reason-mike-pettine-failed-as-coach-of-browns/

So far, that's been pretty much the Haslam plan. 

http://brownswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/11/joe-thomas-johnny-manziel-was-reason-mike-pettine-failed-as-coach-of-browns/

@the-gipper said:

Or is this just another case of you being a pedantic puss. 

No more than you being infallible... or knowledgeable for that matter.

@tour2ma said:

Funny how it's never a "big effing deal" when it is you that are wrong...

... even when it's twice in one post for emphasis.

Except, of course, I was NOT wrong.   The Browns have been 32d in point differential three years in a row. 

I did edit in  a correction because I had looked at the wrong columns in the PFR website....but I corrected that like 10 seconds later. 

Or is this just another case of you being a pedantic puss. 

... even when it's twice in one post for emphasis.

@tour2ma said:

Which is not a defensive stat...

Its a combination stat.  Defense is one half of it. 

In 2017 Browns were 32d in scoring offense.....31st in scoring defense

2016: 31st in scoring offense...30th in scoring defense

2015: 30th scoring offense...29th in scoring defense. 

So...big effing deal...they were not 32d...but they were 31st/30th/29th.

But....OK...give us 2014 when the defense was 9th in scoring defense.

@the-gipper said:

But they HAVE been #32 for 3 years running in point differeential

Which is not a defensive stat...

@tour2ma said:

Yes.... twice. Problem is that per PFR that's not the case. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/

Plus in his first season, the season he ran his D while Young Shanny tended to the O, he had the 9th ranked scoring D.... so there's that.

In season 2 Shanny left, Mike moved to the O-side, O'Neil ran the D... and the rest is history... just not worst in the NFL that year.

Interesting aside...

• Since the NFL has been a 32-team league (2002) the Browns' Defense has never ranked last in Points or Yards Allowed.
• But they HAVE been #32 for 3 years running in point differeential
• Can't say the same for the Offense which has been #32 twice in Points Scored (2017, 2005) and once in Yards Gained (2009).

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@the-gipper said:

Oh...did I say...it wasTHE worst in the NFL.

Yes.... twice. Problem is that per PFR that's not the case. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/

Plus in his first season, the season he ran his D while Young Shanny tended to the O, he had the 9th ranked scoring D.... so there's that.

In season 2 Shanny left, Mike moved to the O-side, O'Neil ran the D... and the rest is history... just not worst in the NFL that year.

Interesting aside...

• Since the NFL has been a 32-team league (2002) the Browns' Defense has never ranked last in Points or Yards Allowed.
• Can't say the same for the Offense which has been #32 twice in Points Scored (2017, 2005) and once in Yards Gained (2009).

@syd said:

hear norv turner wants to get back into coaching

No he doesn't.  He's writing country music these days.

He attempted a 60 yard FG with Devon Hester standing in the middle of the end zone waiting to return it.  TWICE!  'Cos the dopey Atlanta coach called time out to ice the kicker....so Pettine got to SEE Hester catch the ball in the middle of the end zone.....but he did it again anyway....and Hester ALMOST returned it for a TD.  -  Remember, a FG is NOT like a punt.  The players have to stay at the LOS and block for the FG.  No gunners of any sort.  Hester was able to catch the ball with PLENTY of green grass in front of him.

@chicopeejohn said:

If he doesn't appreciate his opportunity to coach an NFL team - in Cleveland or anywhere else - he'd have to be a fool.  I don't believe he is a fool.  Bittersweet, maybe.

Definitely not a fool, he didn’t pursue another NFL coaching job until his Browns contract expired.

@stillmotion said:

I bet he has a Manziel dart board

If he doesn't appreciate his opportunity to coach an NFL team - in Cleveland or anywhere else - he'd have to be a fool.  I don't believe he is a fool.  Bittersweet, maybe.

@flyingfooldoug said:

I wonder if he looks back at his time here fondly?

I bet he has a Manziel dart board

@flyingfooldoug said:

I wonder if he looks back at his time here fondly?

Only when he looks at the cheerleaders thread.

@mr.-make-believe said:

I like Pettine.  Yeah I hope he gets the gig.  I still think he could be a successful head coach if he can ever clear himself of the PTSD of his time here.

Hamilton could use a good DC.