@the-gipper said:

Said one area scout: "Would you rather have the No. 1 pick and spend it on Josh Rosen or the No. 20 pick and draft Baker Mayfield? You can't convince me one is better than the other right now."

The thing is...I basically agree with this sentiment.

And everybody here being in all these different "camps"  simply adds to that perception.

That's because we are all paid so much to make these professional assessments.

The thing is...I basically agree with this sentiment.

And everybody here being in all these different "camps"  simply adds to that perception.

@calfoxwc said:

"sigh"

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743367-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-is-this-the-worst-draft-class-of-the-decade

Said one area scout: "Would you rather have the No. 1 pick and spend it on Josh Rosen or the No. 20 pick and draft Baker Mayfield? You can't convince me one is better than the other right now."

"Discretion is the better part of valor"

That area scout is a) made up or B- unemployed soon.... either or 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2743367-matt-millers-scouting-notebook-is-this-the-worst-draft-class-of-the-decade

Said one area scout: "Would you rather have the No. 1 pick and spend it on Josh Rosen or the No. 20 pick and draft Baker Mayfield? You can't convince me one is better than the other right now."

"Discretion is the better part of valor"

@unsympathetic said:

Not only has Rosen matured.... at his "worst", he NEVER was as bad as he's being made out to be.

But hey, gossip is always more fun than reality - for people who don't want to bother thinking critically.

The Truth About Rosen

Trust me man, if you didn't see the other threads this was covered, at length that that all the personality claims are dubious at best. But people like Cal and stillmotion are just people who never listen to objective facts and live in their own little world.

As long as Rosen clears medically, which I'll note is indeed an IF, he's clearly the best prospect in the draft. 

@the-gipper said:

Is that 6' 4.3 "  211?   Do they measure them that specific down to tenths of an inch?

What? Mixing of standard and metric systems? I believe the last digit represents eighths of an inch, but I am not positive about that.

In any case you do have to admire the "whiteboard" technology employed back at the turn of the century...

But hey, gossip is always more fun than reality - for people who don't want to bother thinking critically.

The Truth About Rosen

@sd_tom said:

So a 6'4 20 yr old with top S&C coaches and lifting programs won't be able to add about 10 lbs? 

Delusional thinking at best. 

It's about the frame. 

@tour2ma said:

And that's today...

At his Combine Tom was lighter than Rosen.

Is that 6' 4.3 "  211?   Do they measure them that specific down to tenths of an inch?

@the-gipper said:

Tom Brady is listed at 6/4  225.   

And that's today...

At his Combine Tom was lighter than Rosen.

@wargograw said:

That stuff doesn't tell the whole story. Body composition matters. Brady is pretty stout. Rosen's a twig. Russell Wilson and some other QBs with his height and weight look totally different too.

Rosen is listed at 6'4 218.   Rodgers listed at 6'2  225.   Rosen may be a twig now....but he could easily get up to like 230 with some nutrition and weight training.   Brady is only 7 pounds heavier than Rosen is. 

Tom Brady is listed at 6/4  225.   

Winston   6/4  231

Matt Ryan  6/4 220

Mariota 6/4 222

Luck 6/4 234

Alex Smith 6/4 217

Sam Bradford 6/4  224

Kizer  6/4 233

Josh McCown 6/4 213

I don't see Rosen's weight being a major issue for him at all.    10-15 pounds should be no problem at all.

http://fftoday.com/rankings/playerrank.php?o=2&PosID=10&LeagueID=1&order_by=Rank&sort_order=ASC&cur_page=0

Delusional thinking at best. 

@tiamat63 said:

Brady himself is the same height but only 10lbs heavier... what is this "bulking up" Sheet we're talking about?  

Tom has it right, muscle pliability is a big deal for QB's and plays a more important role in absorbing hits.   

That stuff doesn't tell the whole story. Body composition matters. Brady is pretty stout. Rosen's a twig. Russell Wilson and some other QBs with his height and weight look totally different too.

@tour2ma said:

Not sure about "prick", but I was just reading an article about how Rodgers was thought to be a little "strange" coming out of college and how that fed his fall in Round 1.

As for the concussions... a concern for sure, but how much of one is a question for the medical staff. I don't think 2 (possibly 3?) in 2.5 seasons of play with intense focus on the subject is particularly alarming. However, if a medical review of the impacts that produced them find the blows should have been inconsequential for the average athlete, then you have to pass.

What I heard was Rodgers put people off because he challenged authority and was outspoken which seems eerily similar to a lot of the questions surrounding Rosen. Either way, most elite QBs can be difficult to deal with at times because they’re obsessive and ultra focused on winning instead of making people feel good. 

@calfoxwc said:

no hate. got nothin. never did. just dumb opinions, a few here and there smarter than yours.

You only wish that were true.

@roycerolls said:

... Aaron Rodgers can’t be a prick? 

Not sure about "prick", but I was just reading an article about how Rodgers was thought to be a little "strange" coming out of college and how that fed his fall in Round 1.

As for the concussions... a concern for sure, but how much of one is a question for the medical staff. I don't think 2 (possibly 3?) in 2.5 seasons of play with intense focus on the subject is particularly alarming. However, if a medical review of the impacts that produced them find the blows should have been inconsequential for the average athlete, then you have to pass.

@the-gipper said:

Wait for the hate from Cal.

no hate. got nothin. never did. just dumb opinions, a few here and there smarter than yours.

Tom has it right, muscle pliability is a big deal for QB's and plays a more important role in absorbing hits.   

@nickers said:

Rosen just looks like one of these kids that just cannot bulk up .. I have doubts about his durability...

The Mingo effect?