@lionofbuddha said:

Lol dude the video I posted actually clearly shows how the mainstream media has a severe left bias. 95% of mainstream media outlets are left wing. Mainstream media is absolutely fake, and paints an outlier as the narrative, and vice versa, to fit the agenda.

I hope you take 5 minutes of your day to enlighten yourself with that video, very informative. Until then you’re just blabbering a bunch of nothing.

Have a good one. Go Browns

See what I mean.  I watched it......it was just another moronic goose stepping horseshite filled pile of right wing drivel.....which is the only agenda that it serves.

@the-gipper said:

The claim that mainstream media is biased.  That is idiotic.  It is idiotic because those people only want to hear the news that that meets their OWN biased point of view.   FACTS that show someone they are akin to in a bad light...are fake.  Facts that tell the truth about the corruption of this administration is fake....even if it is true.  Again.....anything and everything that you don't like or agree to is fake news.  

Are mistakes made in reporting some of these facts?  Certainly....nothing and no one is perfect.   Is commentary based on current issues fake?  Uhh, no....it is commentary. It is not news at all. 

Lol dude the video I posted actually clearly shows how the mainstream media has a severe left bias. 95% of mainstream media outlets are left wing. Mainstream media is absolutely fake, and paints an outlier as the narrative, and vice versa, to fit the agenda.

I hope you take 5 minutes of your day to enlighten yourself with that video, very informative. Until then you’re just blabbering a bunch of nothing.

Have a good one. Go Browns

@lionofbuddha said:

What specifically is idiotic about the contents of that video?

The claim that mainstream media is biased.  That is idiotic.  It is idiotic because those people only want to hear the news that that meets their OWN biased point of view.   FACTS that show someone they are akin to in a bad light...are fake.  Facts that tell the truth about the corruption of this administration is fake....even if it is true.  Again.....anything and everything that you don't like or agree to is fake news.  

Are mistakes made in reporting some of these facts?  Certainly....nothing and no one is perfect.   Is commentary based on current issues fake?  Uhh, no....it is commentary. It is not news at all. 

@lionofbuddha said:

Lol the fact that you call me an idiot based on a video you didn’t even watch is so hilarious and ironic. Anyways, I don’t have time for this.

Lets bond through our love for the Browns, not bicker over the dichotomy of politics 

I never bickered.  I gave you info and  You   just started acting like a dumb blond.....pretending like you have no clue.

@the-gipper said:

I didn't bother to watch.  It came from you...and that was enough for me to believe it was likely idiotic.

Lol the fact that you call me an idiot based on a video you didn’t even watch is so hilarious and ironic. Anyways, I don’t have time for this.

Lets bond through our love for the Browns, not bicker over the dichotomy of politics 

@lionofbuddha said:

What specifically is idiotic about the contents of that video?

I didn't bother to watch.  It came from you...and that was enough for me to believe it was likely idiotic.

@the-gipper said:

Are you always gonna be this big of an idjit?    (Likely, considering)

What specifically is idiotic about the contents of that video?

@lionofbuddha said:

Are you always gonna be this big of an idjit?    (Likely, considering)

@the-gipper said:

OK...here you go....just turn  to any new media outlet in America....and you will have your information all day, every day.  (except for a couple of the sychophantic ones).

@lionofbuddha said:

Absolutely. If it’s so obvious, why can’t you back up your claim?

Oh yeah, because it’s based on emotion and not facts.

OK...here you go....just turn  to any new media outlet in America....and you will have your information all day, every day.  (except for a couple of the sychophantic ones).

@the-gipper said:

Jesus.  Seriously?

Absolutely. If it’s so obvious, why can’t you back up your claim?

Oh yeah, because it’s based on emotion and not facts.

@wargograw said:

Did you really just ask that question and you're still going to claim you're not a PC guy? Okie dokie. 

Also, I see you've now moved on to "this isn't a free speech violation" (something no one on this thread IIRC has argued anyway). Seriously, pick one and stick with it.

Dude, the guy before me literally said it’s a free speech violation. Lol, do you even read?

No matter what I say, you’re going to twist it. At the end of the day, you lost. Just accept that Chief Wahoo is gone and move on 

@wargograw said:

Did you really just ask that question and you're still going to claim you're not a PC guy? Okie dokie.:

How is the Cleveland Indians any different than the Cleveland Blacks?

Also, I see you've now moved on to "this isn't a free speech violation" (something no one on this thread IIRC has argued anyway). Seriously, pick one and stick with it.

FYI....the Cleveland Browns ARE essentially the Cleveland "Blacks" or Cleveland Negroes if you want.....by one theory.  That theory being that the Browns are named after Joe Louis....the Brown (as in brown skin) Bomber.  Now....this theory's prime promotor was Paul Brown.....because he wanted to pretend the team was not named after him....so he came up with the Joe Louis thing.  My only question, Paul, is if you wanted to name the team after Joe Louis, and not yourself...then why did you not name them the Bombers?  Instead going for the Browns?   The Bombers may have been a popular nickname...considering we just came out of WWII.

@lionofbuddha said:

It’s an interesting argument, but here’s where the discrepancy is. Getting rid of Chief Wahoo does not equate to getting rid of free speech. 

You or I can still buy a Chief Wahoo hat and wear it. Taking away free speech would be the government telling you you CANT wear a Chief Wahoo hat. No one is saying that.

You still have the right to express yourself and purchase and wear Chief Wahoo, even to the games.

On a side note: 

How is the Cleveland Indians any different than the Cleveland Blacks?

Did you really just ask that question and you're still going to claim you're not a PC guy? Okie dokie. 

Also, I see you've now moved on to "this isn't a free speech violation" (something no one on this thread IIRC has argued anyway). Seriously, pick one and stick with it.

@lionofbuddha said:

?? Your answer does nothing to prove your point. Do you have any facts to back up your opinion?

Jesus.  Seriously?

@the-gipper said:

Trump, and civilized. You figure it out.

?? Your answer does nothing to prove your point. Do you have any facts to back up your opinion?

@lionofbuddha said:

How so?

Trump, and civilized. You figure it out.

@the-gipper said:

Those last two sentences are oxymoronic.

How so?

@lionofbuddha said:

Lol Shmuck SJWs and Shmuck safe spaces.

Long live Trump. Long live western civilization.

Those last two sentences are oxymoronic.

@nickers said:

He needs his care bear...

Lol Shmuck SJWs and Shmuck safe spaces.

Long live Trump. Long live western civilization.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I'm having fun with you.  Do you need a safe space or time out?

He needs his care bear...

So yeah, the only support for your argument that I don't actually care about the logo is "yeah, well I'm smarter than you." You're better than this

Sorry...but you are just confusing yourself.  Again, let me try to explain things to you like you were a 4 year old:

A. Yes....I believe that MOST people who are upset at the Tribe eliminating the Chief are just upset because they see it as a PC move...and NOT because they love the logo.  Now MAYBE you are the rare exception....maybe you do think it is a great logo...which is fine....there are always exceptions to any rule.   But I think I am right about what I say as to the reason most are "upset"...that they just want to be anti-PC nudniks. (you can look that term up)

B. I also said that if anyone has a right to be upset about the change it is a guy like me who HAS  lived with and liked the logo for far longer than you have been alive (something like 56 years in my case). I am saying that a guy like me has far more equity....far more personal investment in this team and its appendages...including things like logos etc. than most other people (including even you).  Ergo....if a guy like me can accept the situation and move on.....so can you and all the other schmos out there.