@texasag1969 said:

Not necessarily.

Kizer 2018

Fuller is a nice player, but he's strictly an inside, slot corner... a #3 CB if you will. Slot corners are not a rare commodity... especially as compared to Outside CBs.

In reality...we are looking for a stopgap.  And Smith is out.  See Bridge QB thread for candidates.

Good riddance.. I don't think Browns would have offered existing players.

@texasag1969 said:

So you were an abused child I see. My dad was a lifelong A&M fan who got to see a National Championship as a freshman in 1939. I'm still waiting as 71 approaches in March.

The Aggies and the Browns...long dry spell for both teams.

My dad took me to my first Browns game in 1967.

He didn't have anything nice to say about Blanton Collier...he was always a Paul Brown fan.

@canton-dawg said:

He was the guy responsible for making me a Browns fan.

Would that be considered a family curse these days?

So you were an abused child I see. My dad was a lifelong A&M fan who got to see a National Championship as a freshman in 1939. I'm still waiting as 71 approaches in March.

@texasag1969 said:

LOL! Me too most of the time, but it is fun to go tweak a tail or two now and again.

Sorry about your Dad. Just read that on another thread.

He was the guy responsible for making me a Browns fan.

Would that be considered a family curse these days?

@canton-dawg said:

I prefer staying over here, and make the Browns great again!

LOL! Me too most of the time, but it is fun to go tweak a tail or two now and again.

Sorry about your Dad. Just read that on another thread.

@texasag1969 said:

Delusion breaker. Want to go over to the political board?

I prefer staying over here, and make the Browns great again!

@canton-dawg said:

Killjoy!

Delusion breaker. Want to go over to the political board?

@texasag1969 said:

Not necessarily.

Killjoy!

@boo-fagley said:

Alex Smith to Washington for a 3rd was announced last night.

That must mean Cousins to the Browns.

Not necessarily.

That must mean Cousins to the Browns.

@pat-mahomo said:

from what I saw of Erving play....I can see why you all traded him.  For such a physical specimen, he way underplays his tools. He looked lost and timid.  Our left guard might be the worst starting guard in all of the NFL and Erving couldn't beat him out

...he's pretty pathetic.  And he's an example of why we haven't improved.  First round picks have to move your team forward...not backwards.  

Good luck with Mahomes.  I was hoping that we might've walked away from the draft with him.  Instead we wound up with Peppers...who they let stand at the opposite end of the field like a goalie.  

@pat-mahomo said:

Many fans have mentioned Josh Gordon or Bitonio.  Pretty much all of us in KC, myself included, have no realistic idea about your roster or the availability of the players on it.     

Most teams Gm's won't consider Gordon as a trade-able asset as of yet..maybe trade deadline? Forget Bitonio..this past off season Joel was re-up'd to a 6 year deal till 2023..Sashi got that one right..ok maybe two? Cam-Stile Erv cost KC your 5th..Timid is a good word for Cam, that Kiper & many others need to learn..   

@the-gipper said:

Well...it is amazing.   How can a team be that bad if they are not trying to be that bad.  

I think they were trying to be that bad. Not the players, but the front office that is. 

The reason we never see nba rebuilds in the NFL is starting that many first and second year players is guaranteeing a lousy season, especially when your QB is 21 years old. 

Historically speaking, a 21 year old QB having a good rookie season is the exception, not the rule.  The more I look at it, the more I realize how serious Sashi was when he said the team wouldn’t be able to compete until year 3.  Cutting the vets loose, shopping for bargain bin QBs, trading down like madmen.... it all adds up to what we got, 2 miserable years, and treasure trove of off season assets to build for the third year. 6 of the top 65 picks, and 110 mil in cap space is lunacy.

while Sashi was the sacrificial lamb, there wasn’t exactly a complete FO overhaul, which tells me that the FO at least mostly did what they said they’d do, even if the fans don’t like it. 

@the-gipper said:

Well...it is amazing.   How can a team be that bad if they are not trying to be that bad.  

Practice..... 

@furious-styles said:

2nd ?.......NO DEAL !

Game changers are available in the 2nd Round. Some teams find them. Some teams don't. Don't waste a valuable 2nd Round  pick on a QB who is approaching "journeyman" status.

As I mentioned- there's debate on how much Smith is worth. I told the crazies we're not getting Smith and draft picks, like the Osweiler deal turned out. So where will the bidding start, and what's your limit as how high you'd go for Smith? 

You probably already know I'm averse to backing up the Brinks for Cousins. Of interest to the Browns on the QB front will be how AJ McCarron's appeal turns out. RFA as opposed to UFA. May be interested if the price is right UFA (beware a guy who can't beat out Andy Dalton) but RFA at a second round tender?  Forget it. He's not worth our #33. Hopefully Dorsey has more sense than Hue when it comes to evaluating QBs. 

@d-bone said:

Alex Smith on the Browns: '1-31 over the last 2 years just sounds amazing'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html

Well...it is amazing.   How can a team be that bad if they are not trying to be that bad.  

@d-bone said:

Alex Smith on the Browns: '1-31 over the last 2 years just sounds amazing'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html

Here's the podcast link... comment is made around 6:00 mark, but listen from around 5:00 mark for context.

What Alex is reflecting is why he's our best chance at a high quality vet.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/01/alex_smith_on_the_browns_1-31.html

@bob806 said:

Good post Pat Mahomo.

Funny thing is this...this fall on our RV trip to Texas, we stopped a a campground for a couple nights in Missouri. Some Chiefs fans came over and were pretty cool, they saw my Browns flag.

We talked about the QBs of both franchises. As bad as the Browns record has been, the Browns have actually had more success in the last 40-50 years with the QB situation as a whole than the Chiefs. How weird that we agreed on that? The Chiefs have had Len Dawson, Joe Montana, and Alex Smith, none of them drafted, and the rest are marginal. Todd Blackledge may have been their best QB drafted, that's it.

I'm not anti-Smith, but not a huge fan either. We're so dam desperate around here, so of course it's worth a look. If he was a bit younger, and a FA, I'd say go for it easily.

Rumors, and they're hard to believe, was Arians and Hue wanted Mahomes in the worst way. The Chiefs puled the trigger, and now maybe have finally found their guy.  

Lastly, when I was a kid growing up, my second-favorite rivalry was Oakland-KC. It was just as intense as Cle-Pitt. 

Boy, isn't that the truth about the Chiefs and the QBs they drafted.  You mentioned Blackledge...he was the ONE certified bust of the 1983 first round.  The others......3 HOF....1 other that took a team to a Super Bowl  (Eason)...and another fine QB  in O'Brien (he had a winning record vs. Marino...and may have done the same vs. Elway and Kelly...not sure.  Blackledge though...the second guy taken after Elway....a shattered vase.

As for their QBs drafted....their best is Steve Fuller....which does not say much.:

@hoorta said:

Regarding Gordon or Bitonio, no way Jose. If we trade for Smith, it will be for draft picks (we have plenty) not players. Any thoughts on what you guys might want for him? Our two high first round picks aren't available for a player like Smith. Talk here has been all over the map. MHO one of our seconds (not #33) is fair compensation. Deal?

PS, regarding Erving he was so terrible we would have paid for his plane ticket out of town. We were shocked we got anything for him. When he wasn't oleing in pass pro, he was missing down field blocks. For added humor, he got pancaked a few times.

He pancaked himself a few times.