No sound studio was ever required..  

@mjp28 said:

And you're still driving a 1946 Chevrolet. 

Not quite that old....but old enough.  A 2002 Mercury Grand Marquis.    An old man's car, I know.  But: A. I AM an old man and B. I got it cheap out of an estate I was handling.  It was proverbially the car only driven to church on Sundays by a little old lady.   So, it was reasonably low mileage considering its age.

@the-gipper said:

Uhm, OK....I think I was looking at the overall record including playoffs.  And/or, plus I was including AAFC.

And you're still driving a 1946 Chevrolet. 

@mjp28 said:

It appears the two lists differ, the regular season records 0.691 each just with the BROWNS which is more important,  screw cinci.

Uhm, OK....I think I was looking at the overall record including playoffs.  And/or, plus I was including AAFC.

@the-gipper said:

Uhm...no.   Did you look above?  Last time I took math  .759 did not equal .675.   (maybe PBs overall win % matched if you include his years with the Bengals?)

It appears the two lists differ, the regular season records 0.691 each just with the BROWNS which is more important,  screw cinci.

@dutch-oven said:

That is something I never knew - Paul Brown and Blanton Collier had the same exact win % as HC of the NFL Browns. 

Uhm...no.   Did you look above?  Last time I took math  .759 did not equal .675.   (maybe PBs overall win % matched if you include his years with the Bengals?)

@dutch-oven said:

That is something I never knew - Paul Brown and Blanton Collier had the same exact win % as HC of the NFL Browns. 

And 10 coaches 1950-1995 and 9 coaches 1999-present. 

Haven't done the quarterback numbers.

1. Paul Brown  .759

2. Blanton Collier .675

3. Marty Schottenheimer .597

4. Nick Skorich  .536

5. Sam Rutigliano .475

6. Bud Carson .462

7. Bill Belichick  .451

8. Forrest Gregg .439

9. Butch Davis .400

10. Romeo Crennell  .375

11. Mike Pettine  .313

12. Eric Mangini .3125

13. Pat Shurmur  .281

14. Rob Chudzinski .250

15. Terry Robiskie .200   (Interim 1-4)

16. Chris Palmer  .156

17. Jim Shofner  .143  (Interim  1-6)

18. Hue Jackson  .063

19. D-i-c-k Modzewlewski   .00  (Interim....0-1) 

@the-gipper said:

Just know that if, over the next two years, the Browns go  15-1 and 16-0 that Hue Jackson will have raised his career coaching record to .500!!

(hey...he was 8-8 with the Raiders, no?)

Oh yeah he'll move to the BROWNS v2.0 head of the class.... (revised 1-31 .031 worst in NFL ,history)

All-Time Head Coaches

(hey...he was 8-8 with the Raiders, no?)

@texasag1969 said:

And that would differ from now @ 1-31 exactly how?

Yeah the scary part was they were a wisker from being 0-32   Futility on a nuclear scale.

Whether you're 1-31 or 0-16 or whatever you have major and numerous holes starting with team management, hopefully some of that has been addressed. 

Fortunately they have some good young players but still need an experienced starting quarterback  (cue dead horse pictures) and other key position fills. 

Feel free to update your own personal list and *hooray* for 12 picks in April! 

@texasag1969 said:

And that would differ from now @ 1-31 exactly how?

It would be among the fans. The team is a bumbling mess until notified otherwise haha.

@7moses7 said:

Luck is done,Colts are trading up for a QB

Smart move by Colts. If Foles decides on starter money? Frank Reich will have the inside track to Foles out of division. Reich is a good dude, watch his back-up again hire at Colts presser. Reports read Frank is trying to hire Don Beebe as his WR coach.. still see Colts/NYG figuring out a small trade down to best OLman.. Denver should also look OL, but Elway can't do anything smart in drafting..Including his QB's  

@logicisforsquares said:

If the Browns take the Colts deal, trade down, and don't get their desired QB, anarchy would reign in Cleveland haha.

And that would differ from now @ 1-31 exactly how?

@bob806 said:

I don't think they brought Dorsey in here to act like Ray Farmer, Sashi Brown, etc. The combo of trading down and drafting poorly/reaching has killed this franchise.

I'd rather stand pat, not make any trades,and go down swinging than trade these assets away. 

Well said Bob!!!

I agree, Dorsey & his boys were brought here to get QUALITY rather than quantity. I wouldn't mind trading UP to improve the quality of picks AFTER #4, but I'm extremely tired of trading down.

Mike

@mjp28 said:

More than likely the BROWNS will pick a QB with the #1 or 4 the way things appear to be going right now.

I'm basically scrapping the 2018 season as a 5 win maximum  season and going for 2019 to compete, one thing for sure they can address a slew of needs all over the place. After 1-31 I've turned into a grumpy ol' realist. 

It will depend who they get as the "bridge" QB.  McCown won 5 games with a roster as talent depleted as the Browns. If Kizer hadn't been epically bad, we probably would have won a few games last year. 

I currently just don't see the Browns in the market for Cousins. 

@jiggins7919 said:

Sounds like an excellent opportunity for us to lose out on the QB we have rated the highest. Would I like to get more assets? Sure. Would I like to absolutely get the QB we want with 100% certainty even more? You bet. 

This isn't complicated. Draft the guy you like the most and don't play games with our future. 

More than likely the BROWNS will pick a QB with the #1 or 4 the way things appear to be going right now.

I'm basically scrapping the 2018 season as a 5 win maximum  season and going for 2019 to compete, one thing for sure they can address a slew of needs all over the place. After 1-31 I've turned into a grumpy ol' realist. 

@the-gipper said:

What would you suggest?   Obviously the #3.....plus their 2d rounder? At minimum.

Draft Value chart says their #3, the #35, plus a second next year.  Might be interested. That gives us the first, third, fourth, and last picks in the second round. 

@browns1216 said:

or....it's all a clever ploy by the Colts.  they'll convince the Browns they'll use the #1 on a running back and then BAM!  once they have the #1 pick they swipe the Browns' top QB choice out from under them.  It's all a plot for revenge for the Trent Richardson trade.

Only way that would happen is if they think Luck is so damaged, it's time to move on. Even if in that scenario (Colts take Barkley) the Giants would do as I suspect and take a QB, that would Still leave 2 out of 3 for us to take- Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield. I could live with that. Or they could pull a Sonny Weaver draft day move- go up to #1, and then trade back to a team that really wants a QB.  However, if a team really wanted to move up to #1 for a qb- I'd think they'd deal directly with the Browns and cut out the middleman. 

Finally- MHO is why? Would the Colts (or the Giants) want to take a RB? Even with a healthy OBJ (Giants) or Luck (Colts) Barkley isn't going to magically transform them into a Super Bowl caliber team. Plus, should the Browns take a QB, #1, Saquon is gonna be there for them without having to make a trade.   

@logicisforsquares said:

If the Browns take the Colts deal, trade down, and don't get their desired QB, anarchy would reign in Cleveland haha.

Except...of course....they would claim that the DID get their desired QB.  Fair to say?   If the Giants took Rosen....and they took Darnold...they would say that they were after Darnold all the time.....and vice versa.

@jiggins7919 said:

This isn't complicated. Draft the guy you like the most and don't play games with our future. 

Amen to that. There's several candidates that would qualify as the #1 pick at the strongest position of need. To not take one unless we pull Cousins out of our hat would be nothing short of absurd.