@syd said:

and since seattle lost Lynch they have not been the same team on offense in fact until they get a running game they are a 7-9 team

They've had the worst O-Line in the NFL since Lynch left (lost C-Unger, LT-Okung, RG-Sweezy, LG-Carpenter ect), and have relied upon fat over the hill Eddie Lacy, Rawls (Undrafted free agent) and Chris Carson (7th round pick) to take over for Lynch.   

Rawls was great in his rookie season before his injury but never recovered and Chris Carson was great and remains to be seen how he'll look after breaking his ankle a couple games into his career.

So they've struggled because of injuries and terrible run blocking as you can see:

Jeff Ratcliffe@JeffRatcliffe

Offensive line yards before contact per RB attempt for the 2017 regular season

Feb 7, 2018 53 4View on X

@jimbojones said:

When was he last time an elite RB has won the Super Bowl?  Marshawn Lynch won in 2014 behind Russell Wilson and an elite defense, but it's kind of surprising to see the lack of superstar RB's like LaDanian Tomlinson win the SB in the past decade or so.

As much as I want Barkley, give me Bradley Chubb/Minkah and get a stud RB like Ronald Jones in the 2nd round.

and since seattle lost Lynch they have not been the same team on offense in fact until they get a running game they are a 7-9 team

@mjp28 said:

I always think about my favorites like Joe Montana many didn't think much of him going to ND and plenty of teams passed on him repeatedly in the NFL draft.

Even Bernie Kosar although a big guy ran like a d*mn wounded giraffe but was a great thinking Quarterback and accurate passer.

No one passed on Bernie Kosar....he was taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick.   He doesn't get listed as such usually....but he should.  The Bills traded us their #1 overall pick in the supplemental draft....which means that they gave up the #1 overall pick in the regular draft..in consideration of what we sent them.  (don't recall what that was exactly....likely our first round pick in the next draft...plus more)

@hoorta said:

Lamar Jackson won't even play this year if the team that drafts him is smart, short of few wild cat runs. Has the "project" tag after the Combine. He's around the 5th QB on everyone's board, and we're not interested in him at the top of the draft. 

More interest in Barkley, but look for Dorsey to stay true to form and take a guy like Guice or Michel later.

I wouldn’t mind if he falls to our fifth pick

@louisville-slugger said:

Why do so many Browns fans talk about Super bowls when we can't get out of the AFCN cellar? Let wins some games and change the image of this franchise. We need offensive playmakers and quit trying to fit in with what everyone else is doing. 

Imagine this

Qb- L. Jackson

Rb- S. Barkley D. Johnson

Wr- J. Gordon J. Landry(via trade) A. Miller(rd3)

Te- D. Njoku S. Devalve

If our coaches can't get to the playoffs with those offensive weapons they're in the wrong business

Lamar Jackson won't even play this year if the team that drafts him is smart, short of few wild cat runs. Has the "project" tag after the Combine. He's around the 5th QB on everyone's board, and we're not interested in him at the top of the draft. 

More interest in Barkley, but look for Dorsey to stay true to form and take a guy like Guice or Michel later.

@mark-o said:

That's where I'm at.   You can find a back who will give you a whole lot of performance in round 2.

Yep, out of last year's draft there were 2 RB pro bowlers.

Alvin Kamara, and Kareem Hunt (NEO kid) were picked in the 2nd round.

@dutch-oven said:

I want you to think about Super Bowl winning QBs throughout history.

How many of them were superb, insane athletes? 

And how many were able to play from the pocket, make reads, read defenses, and get the ball to the open man in the construct of the play?

That's an accurate description of Josh Rosen.  And yes,  I agree. 

@poeticg said:

LOL- That's because only a handful of defensive players actually had a chance to get a hand on him. When you can get us the statistic of how many defenders Sheet their pants, grabbed air and ate a mouthful of grass... then we can talk.

Don't be ridiculous. His low ypc average compared to many others proves he gets taken down a lot on first hit. He will be hit far more in the NFL than college before he has a chance to go the distance. Pass on this guy and his hype. Highlights are pure BS. Time you learned that. Show all the lowlights if you want to see the real truth.

@louisville-slugger said:

1. Lack of experience in a pro style offense. The majority of his carries came from the shotgun. 

He's a running back, don't over think it.

As for your other points, didn't see the "dead legs", balance doesn't seem like a real issue.

Bouncing outside ... he'll learn, they all do.

Zombo

@dutch-oven said:

I want you to think about Super Bowl winning QBs throughout history.

How many of them were superb, insane athletes? 

And how many were able to play from the pocket, make reads, read defenses, and get the ball to the open man in the construct of the play?

Why do so many Browns fans talk about Super bowls when we can't get out of the AFCN cellar? Let wins some games and change the image of this franchise. We need offensive playmakers and quit trying to fit in with what everyone else is doing. 

Imagine this

Qb- L. Jackson

Rb- S. Barkley D. Johnson

Wr- J. Gordon J. Landry(via trade) A. Miller(rd3)

Te- D. Njoku S. Devalve

If our coaches can't get to the playoffs with those offensive weapons they're in the wrong business

@dutch-oven said:

I want you to think about Super Bowl winning QBs throughout history.

How many of them were superb, insane athletes? .......THE INJURED ONES?

And how many were able to play from the pocket, make reads, read defenses, and get the ball to the open man in the construct of the play?

I always think about my favorites like Joe Montana many didn't think much of him going to ND and plenty of teams passed on him repeatedly in the NFL draft.

Even Bernie Kosar although a big guy ran like a d*mn wounded giraffe but was a great thinking Quarterback and accurate passer.

@sd_tom said:

Chris Simms likes Jackson as his #1 qb.  And thinks barkley is amazing.  Both superb athletes.  Jackson can be a superstar in the right system.  He's going to crush the 40 at his pro day. 

I want you to think about Super Bowl winning QBs throughout history.

How many of them were superb, insane athletes? 

And how many were able to play from the pocket, make reads, read defenses, and get the ball to the open man in the construct of the play?

@jimbojones said:

When was he last time an elite RB has won the Super Bowl?  Marshawn Lynch won in 2014 behind Russell Wilson and an elite defense, but it's kind of surprising to see the lack of superstar RB's like LaDanian Tomlinson win the SB in the past decade or so.

As much as I want Barkley, give me Bradley Chubb/Minkah and get a stud RB like Ronald Jones in the 2nd round.

This and all of this. 

I'll tell you something else. I don't usually like offensive workout warriors. What if I told you the best NFL WR ran a 4.56 40 at the combine? He's not a big WR, so he doesn't use size to dominate. No, he's one of the fastest players in the league, and not someone you see caught from behind often. He torches defenses and can be virtually unstoppable. His name is Antonio Brown. That's right, I believe he ran a 4.56 40. That's not SLOW by any means, but it's not exactly the speed you think of with that guy, is it? 

Saquon Barkley is probably going to be a terrific talent, but I see him more of a Christian McCaffery type player than a bell cow type like Fournette. That's just me. Yes I know his size and his power, but he doesn't seem to run with that particular style. Let me be clear:  I still LIKE Barkley, but I can't draft him #1. Now, if by some freaking miracle he's available at 4, then I wouldn't complain about drafting him. Would I rather have Fitzpatrick? Absolutely. We had a miserable defense last year, and I don't like the idea of going offense-offense with our first 2 picks that are EXTREMELY high. Gimme the best secondary talent, and call it a day please. Actually, don't call it a day. Trade back into the first round and grab your favorite running back so we have the optional 5th year on his contract. 

As much as I want Barkley, give me Bradley Chubb/Minkah and get a stud RB like Ronald Jones in the 2nd round.

@poeticg said:

LOL- That's because only a handful of defensive players actually had a chance to get a hand on him. When you can get us the statistic of how many defenders Sheet their pants, grabbed air and ate a mouthful of grass... then we can talk. 

Penny is good, no doubt, I've even advocated drafting him if he's there after the 3rd round as a supplemental player/returner. But make no mistake, he a better Crowell. 

I was waiting for the YAC on Saquon- and as I suspected, it's not very good....   

@louisville-slugger said:

Simms maybe a little biased. He went to a high school that was right by my old high school. His son went to Louisville then transferred to Tennessee if I'm not mistaken. Either way I agree with him this year. All of the top 5 guys have concerns but Lamar offers something special 

He's an insane athletic talent. 

@louisville-slugger said:

I really do like Barkley but I think this is an outstanding group of RBs. Imagine Barkley at #1, trading back with the Cardinals at 15, landing Lamar Jackson plus picks and Mathieu. Good luck stopping that.

Chris Simms likes Jackson as his #1 qb.  And thinks barkley is amazing.  Both superb athletes.  Jackson can be a superstar in the right system.  He's going to crush the 40 at his pro day. 

@poeticg said:

I like Penny, he's nice, but show me something special if you want me to believe he's worth being mentioned in the same breath as Barkley. 

I see nice with Penny, nice, but not special. Watch this video and look at the blocking Penny has and the Competition he faced. San Jose State? Hawaii? Horrible, glorified HS teams... 

Barkley played in the cold weather of our neighboring state and played some of the closest competition to what you can see in college to the NFL. 

Watch the tape and tell me with a straight face that the circumstance of Penny and Barkley are even remotely relatable... remotely. 

175 yds vs Stanford. 216 yds vs ASU.  He can only play who's on the schedule. He didn't fold vs good teams,  he rose to the occasion 

his reel from ASU game is crazy good. 90+ yds return and rushing td

Newest Highlight Video I could find. 

My favorite so far.