@mjp28 said:

Oh yes the wild and wacky world of professional football 2018. 

Why does this sound like a very strange and expensive game of musical chairs? The boom before the crash (in stock market terms)?

@the-gipper said:

OK,  if Suh is being paid by the Fins....then any team, including the Browns, can sign him for any kind of money that can be agreed on....even a cut rate price.   Only issue is the old "Offset" issue.  Can Suh double dip....or does what some other team pay him offset what the Fins have to pay him?

Either way, it seems that the only real issue is whether or not there comes a bidding war for his services that will determine what it would cost his new team to pay him.

Fair to say?

Oh yes the wild and wacky world of professional football 2018. 

Why does this sound like a very strange and expensive game of musical chairs? The boom before the crash (in stock market terms)?

@hoorta said:

The answer to your red is yes. The Browns (or any other team that signs Suh) won't be on the hook for the dead money. That's money the Dolphins will have to pay to tell Suh adios. He'll get a new contract from the team that signs him. It will be for a lot less than what the Dolphins were paying him. 

That's why I initially thought Suh wouldn't- or couldn't be cut. The Dolphins are already in cap hell, and to fork out $22 million to get rid of a player, regardless how good (and Suh is still regarded as one of the top DTs in the league) is about nuts. Cap manipulation to pay that over two years, and not have to pay NS $8 million more this year almost makes sense. 

OK,  if Suh is being paid by the Fins....then any team, including the Browns, can sign him for any kind of money that can be agreed on....even a cut rate price.   Only issue is the old "Offset" issue.  Can Suh double dip....or does what some other team pay him offset what the Fins have to pay him?

Either way, it seems that the only real issue is whether or not there comes a bidding war for his services that will determine what it would cost his new team to pay him.

Fair to say?

@jcam222 said:

is Chuslum Moxmox a full yellow bush or nicely trimmed?

I never got the opportunity to find out.  But since "she" is native....I am going to say....full yellow bush.

@hoorta said:

 not have to pay NS $8 million more this year almost makes sense. 

Dolphins? yes,playing in Hard Rock Stadium fits yearly

  The Dolphins knew Suh was coming off the Cap Books but still tagged their best offensive weapon in Jarvis Landry in trade to Browns...Thanks! You Big Dummies..(sent Jay Ajayi up the river also to a SB ring)

@the-gipper said:

Why would the Browns have to pay him that?   Isn't he now basically a FA....and any team can bargain with him for any price?  I mean, to me, this is the reverse Brock Osweiler situation.   Browns cut him but were on the hook for his 16 mill.   Why would not the Fins be the ones on the hook? 

The answer to your red is yes. The Browns (or any other team that signs Suh) won't be on the hook for the dead money. That's money the Dolphins will have to pay to tell Suh adios. He'll get a new contract from the team that signs him. It will be for a lot less than what the Dolphins were paying him. 

That's why I initially thought Sue wouldn't- or couldn't be cut. The Dolphins are already in cap hell, and to fork out $22 million to get rid of a player, regardless how good (and Suh is still regarded as one of the top DTs in the league) is about nuts. Cap manipulation to pay that over two years, and not have to pay NS $8 million more this year almost makes sense. 

https://twitter.com/NdamukongSuh/status/973191918602674176

@hoorta said:

Hate to quote myself, but Rappoport explained why & how Miami can release Suh (it's still expensive).  If they designate him for release in June, they can spread the $22 million in dead money over two seasons. His contract apparently isn't guaranteed for this year.  That's still a might big ouch, and Gase must not like him that much. 

Before the "let's get him crowd" chimes in- he's on the high side of 30 and will want to go to a contender. 

he's also going to be really expensive.

@the-gipper said:

You mean like these:

Aleekcheaahoush......crow name for "Accomplished"

Beshiltheen....Navajo  for metal worker  (Steeler?)

Chavathangawunua....Hopi for Short Rainbow

Chuslum Moxmox...Nez Perce for yellow bush

Dadgayadoh....Seneca for   "Gambling Man"    Doh!

Enkoodabooaoo....Algonquin for One who lives alone.   Likely your Algonquin name

Hohnihohkaiyohos-neeheoeewootis.... Cheyenne for high back wolf.

So....be careful what you as for....you may get it.

is Chuslum Moxmox a full yellow bush or nicely trimmed?

@hoorta said:

Hate to quote myself, but Rappoport explained why & how Miami can release Suh (it's still expensive).  If they designate him for release in June, they can spread the $22 million in dead money over two seasons. His contract apparently isn't guaranteed for this year.  That's still a might big ouch, and Gase must not like him that much. 

Before the "let's get him crowd" chimes in- he's on the high side of 30 and will want to go to a contender. 

Why would the Browns have to pay him that?   Isn't he now basically a FA....and any team can bargains with him for any price?  I mean, to me, this is the reverse Brock Osweiler situation.   Browns cut him but were on the hook for his 16 mill.   Why would not the Fins be the ones on the hook? 

@the-gipper said:

Steve Bannon and DJT essentially  told guys like this that they can now take pride in their racism and xenophobia...so he is just going along with that program.

He desperately needs someone on here to pay attention to him, because I think it's safe to say everyone in his life has tuned him out years ago.

@hoorta said:

I don't get it- where's Tour or one of the cap gurus to explain this....   http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/ndamukong-suh-6511/ https://overthecap.com/player/ndamukong-suh/1816/

Looks like there's a ton of dead money left on Suh's contract...   

Hate to quote myself, but Rappoport explained why & how Miami can release Suh (it's still expensive).  If they designate him for release in June, they can spread the $22 million in dead money over two seasons. His contract apparently isn't guaranteed for this year.  That's still a might big ouch, and Gase must not like him that much. 

Before the "let's get him crowd" chimes in- he's on the high side of 30 and will want to go to a contender. 

@londonbrown said:

Well that would soften the Shelton blow somewhat....?

If the money is right and it isn't a "let me slack off before retirement" plan on Suh's part, I wouldn't mind it. I have concerns about any above 30 vet who signs with the Browns as the franchise stands.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I want someone with an American name.

Like Courtney Brown.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Baseball - Indians (names) get it?  A little humor for the humor dead gip.

You just try to hide your bigotry amongst humor. Yet, this still flies for you:

@londonbrown said:

I don't get it- where's Tour or one of the cap gurus to explain this....   http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/ndamukong-suh-6511/ https://overthecap.com/player/ndamukong-suh/1816/

Looks like there's a ton of dead money left on Suh's contract...   

@mjp28 said:

Your logic is astounding.  

Baseball - Indians (names) get it?  A little humor for the humor dead gip.

@the-gipper said:

They are American names.  Which is what you asked for.    If you want European names you should have said so.

Or, maybe you wanted guys with Jewish names like:   Thomas,  James, Peter, Andrew, John, Matthew, Simon,  Paul

After all....all those English fellows with those names got them from Jewish guys.....the Apostles.

@the-gipper said:

Steve Bannon and DJT essentially  told guys like this that they can now take pride in their racism and xenophobia...so he is just going along with that program.

Go eat cream puff.

@mjp28 said:

Your logic is astounding.  

Steve Bannon and DJT essentially  told guys like this that they can now take pride in their racism and xenophobia...so he is just going along with that program.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Those are Indian names.  This is football.

They are American names.  Which is what you asked for.    If you want European names you should have said so.

Or, maybe you wanted guys with Jewish names like:   Thomas,  James, Peter, Andrew, John, Matthew, Simon,  Paul

After all....all those English fellows with those names got them from Jewish guys.....the Apostles.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Those are Indian names.  This is football.

Your logic is astounding.  

@diehardbrownsfan said:

I want someone with an American name.

You mean like these:

Aleekcheaahoush......crow name for "Accomplished"

Beshiltheen....Navajo  for metal worker  (Steeler?)

Chavathangawunua....Hopi for Short Rainbow

Chuslum Moxmox...Nez Perce for yellow bush

Dadgayadoh....Seneca for   "Gambling Man"    Doh!

Enkoodabooaoo....Algonquin for One who lives alone.   Likely your Algonquin name

Hohnihohkaiyohos-neeheoeewootis.... Cheyenne for high back wolf.

So....be careful what you as for....you may get it.