@calfoxwc said:

The Giants are insisting on two first round draft picks.

hell no.

@poeticg said:

I would give them this offer. 

Switch 1st picks in both the 1st and 2nd rounds. 

Give them next years 2nd rounder and the Patriots 2019 future 3rd rounder... and Drew Stanton. 

Gordon, ODB, Landry, Louis and Coleman~ Njoku and DeValve ~ Saquon, Hyde and Duke... I wouldn't care if Daffy Duck was playing QB- There is no stopping that offense.

- Combined with Haley's pick and roll offense, it would be deadly? Do you know de way? 

Ryan Grigson, is that you?

@dutch-oven said:

It's going to be such a pleasure when noodle-arm Hogan is released. 

Nothing against the kid, but we've had to read his name about 100,000 times more than we ever should have because of one mentally-deficient stalker of his. 

I feel sorry for Poetic's wife she only just got to take down Hogan's painting and she comes home to find this hanging on the wall over the bed

@tour2ma said:

Are you Hogan's agent now?

Ouch, and I thought it was a good deal to be any  Quarterback’s agent in 2018. 

Hey I guess you have to earn your 3% somehow. 

@tour2ma said:

Are you Hogan's agent now?

It's going to be such a pleasure when noodle-arm Hogan is released. 

Nothing against the kid, but we've had to read his name about 100,000 times more than we ever should have because of one mentally-deficient stalker of his. 

@poeticg said:

and Drew Stanton. 

Are you Hogan's agent now?

@calfoxwc said:

The Giants are insisting on two first round draft picks.

I'd insist giving UP my first two 1st round p(r)icks for Sandra Bullock..but for Simon OBJ Pheonix for a 16M yearly rental? N(D)OPE!! 

@jimbojones said:

But what about Barkley?  Is he involved in the sit down?  How many touches is he gonna get with those three guys?  Not to mention Njoku and Hyde!

Barkley is going to be a huge part of that. But for 4 years, with a team option 5th year, he's going to be on his mandatory rookie contract, correct? 

With that team we could be top 3 in offensive production and scoring. Could be better than "the greatest show on turf" to be honest.

Barkley is a team guy, he's not going to complain about his touches, as long as he can help us win, either by running the ball, catching out of the backfield, play action fakes, pass protection, kickoff/punt returns, he's going to be happy.   

@poeticg said:

It would take getting Gordon/ODB/Landry to sit down together and decide how much is too much and if there is room for the three of them to achieve a level of satisfaction without breaking the bank. You could sign all to a 3 year deal. Rotate the big contract years between them. But imagine the TV money and endorsement deals that could come along with that triple threat at WR... They would have to know that we have a certain cap on WR money available, you need a team around them. Look at some of the examples of Players taking pay cuts to ensure the team won't suffer because that's what would have happened. 

But what about Barkley?  Is he involved in the sit down?  How many touches is he gonna get with those three guys?  Not to mention Njoku and Hyde!

@poeticg said:

I would give them this offer. 

Switch 1st picks in both the 1st and 2nd rounds. 

Give them next years 2nd rounder and the Patriots 2019 future 3rd rounder... and Drew Stanton. 

Gordon, ODB, Landry, Louis and Coleman~ Njoku and DeValve ~ Saquon, Hyde and Duke... I wouldn't care if Daffy Duck was playing QB- There is no stopping that offense.

- Combined with Haley's pick and roll offense, it would be deadly? Do you know de way? 

Oh no. Now you're killing dead memes

@jimbojones said:

Beckham is going to want $20 Million a year.  Someone is going to be stupid enough to do it and I hope it's not the Browns.

Two 1sts+$20M per=disaster.

It would take getting Gordon/ODB/Landry to sit down together and decide how much is too much and if there is room for the three of them to achieve a level of satisfaction without breaking the bank. You could sign all to a 3 year deal. Rotate the big contract years between them. But imagine the TV money and endorsement deals that could come along with that triple threat at WR... They would have to know that we have a certain cap on WR money available, you need a team around them. Look at some of the examples of Players taking pay cuts to ensure the team won't suffer because that's what would have happened. 

We have moved too far forward to negate that progress in one move.

Mike

Two 1sts+$20M per=disaster.

@calfoxwc said:

The Giants are insisting on two first round draft picks.

hell no.

I would give them this offer. 

Switch 1st picks in both the 1st and 2nd rounds. 

Give them next years 2nd rounder and the Patriots 2019 future 3rd rounder... and Drew Stanton. 

Gordon, ODB, Landry, Louis and Coleman~ Njoku and DeValve ~ Saquon, Hyde and Duke... I wouldn't care if Daffy Duck was playing QB- There is no stopping that offense.

- Combined with Haley's pick and roll offense, it would be deadly? Do you know de way? 

hell no.

I don’t think he’s thought this through...

@tour2ma said:

... but apples are much better than oranges.

There's these Ambrosia apples that the local Sam's Club carries... outstanding!

How do they hold up to a good Honeycrisp or Pink Lady? Those are both the bomb lol

@hoorta said:

We've been down this road before. Some pointed it out earlier in this thread. Even an upper echelon HOF running back can't win multiple Super Bowls by himself. Jim Brown=1, Walter Payton=1, Barry Sanders=0, Ladanian Tomlinson=0, Adrian Peterson=0. Some guys are making Saquon into a best version of all the previously mentioned- and he isn't. 

BTW, looking at the top 25 all time in rushing yardage only three (Brown, Payton, and Sanders) played their entire careers with one team. 

Well, its a good thing we have a future HOFer sitting on our bench right now. Hogan handing it off to Barkley will carry the Browns to multiple future SBs.

@the-gipper said:

I don't think that is necessarily true.  Matt Light, Mankins, Nate Solder....They don't take a back seat to Randy Cross....and whoever else played on the 49ers OL.  I don't think.

Unfortunately teams from today can't go back to the eighties and play each other, so we'll never know.  It's like the argument of who was better between the 80's 49ers and the Steelers of the 70's. 

There's these Ambrosia apples that the local Sam's Club carries... outstanding!

@wargograw said:

Beckham’s much better than Landry. 

Not really an apples to apples comparison, Landry is a slot receiver.

@dawg2fan said:

You're right.  The first ones were pro bowlers, my mistake.  But Charles Haley and Fred Dean were both HoFs.  And the Oline/Dlines were much better than what the Pats were dealing with.  

I don't think that is necessarily true.  Matt Light, Mankins, Nate Solder....They don't take a back seat to Randy Cross....and whoever else played on the 49ers OL.  I don't think.

@the-gipper said:

A.  Other than Jerry Rice  and Ronnie Lott....Joe M. did not play with a lot of HOF players.   Compare that to some other dynasties, such as the 70s steelers,  60s Packers, 50s Browns....which each had 10-11 other HOF players on those teams. 

1982 - they only had about 3 HOF players: Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross

1985 - HOF Roger Craig, Fred Quinlan, Michael Carter, Eric Wright, Carlton Williamson.  But they still had Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross and other good players

1989 - HOF Roger Craig, John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Guy McIntyer, Ronnie Lott, Mike Cofer.  But still had guys like Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Charles Haley, Matt Millan, Kevin Fagen

1990 - HOF Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Ronnie Lott, Guy McIntyre.  But still had Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Matt Millan, John Taylor, Mike Cofer, Kevin Fagen

Sorry...but if you are implying that all the names you have given were HOF caliber, or even household names......they were not any more household names that the players the Pats have had over the years.   And as noted...ONLY Lott and Rice were HOF. The Pats had the likes of Moss, Welker, Bruski, Vrabel, Seymour, ..Gronkowski,  Terry Glenn, Troy Brown, Corey Dillon,  Logan Mankins, Matt Light, Vince Wilfork, Darrell Revis, LeGarret Blount  and others who are every bit as well known as these names.

And FYI....most of the guys you apparently say are HOF....are not:    Clark, Cross, Quinlan, Wright, Williamson, Carter, Craig, Taylor, McIntire, Cofer,   none are in HOF

And I would have to check on Haley.....but if he is, it is because he split duties with the 49ers and Cowboys.

You're right.  The first ones were pro bowlers, my mistake.  But Charles Haley and Fred Dean were both HoFs.  And the Oline/Dlines were much better than what the Pats were dealing with.  

@dawg2fan said:

A.  Other than Jerry Rice  and Ronnie Lott....Joe M. did not play with a lot of HOF players.   Compare that to some other dynasties, such as the 70s steelers,  60s Packers, 50s Browns....which each had 10-11 other HOF players on those teams. 

1982 - they only had about 3 HOF players: Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross

1985 - HOF Roger Craig, Fred Quinlan, Michael Carter, Eric Wright, Carlton Williamson.  But they still had Ronnie Lott, Dwight Clark, Randy Cross and other good players

1989 - HOF Roger Craig, John Taylor, Jerry Rice, Guy McIntyer, Ronnie Lott, Mike Cofer.  But still had guys like Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Charles Haley, Matt Millan, Kevin Fagen

1990 - HOF Jerry Rice, Charles Haley, Ronnie Lott, Guy McIntyre.  But still had Brent Jones, Tom Rathman, Michael Carter, Matt Millan, John Taylor, Mike Cofer, Kevin Fagen

Sorry...but if you are implying that all the names you have given were HOF caliber, or even household names......they were not any more household names that the players the Pats have had over the years.   And as noted...ONLY Lott and Rice were HOF. The Pats had the likes of Moss, Welker, Bruski, Vrabel, Seymour, ..Gronkowski,  Terry Glenn, Troy Brown, Corey Dillon,  Logan Mankins, Matt Light, Vince Wilfork, Darrell Revis, LeGarret Blount  and others who are every bit as well known as these names.

And FYI....most of the guys you apparently say are HOF....are not:    Clark, Cross, Quinlan, Wright, Williamson, Carter, Craig, Taylor, McIntire, Cofer,   none are in HOF

And I would have to check on Haley.....but if he is, it is because he split duties with the 49ers and Cowboys.

NO. 

First of all, I see this as a crap story anyway. The Cleveland Browns aren't going to trade for Odell Beckham. It's just not going to happen. Did we kick the tires? Maybe. But I don't see the actual player fitting in with our team. Sure, he's super talented, but he's also a tremendous pain in the neck. We don't seem to suffer those types, and we have Josh Gordon. Josh is a different kind of pain, and according to everyone on the team, is working on changing. We know all too well it's "day to day" with him, but we have our #1 WR, and we just need to pray for him to keep it together. 

I also don't feel like Tyrod is the type of QB that Odell would play well with anyway. Tyrod is known to bounce some passes to open guys, and I can see Odell throwing his hands up in frustration and being a baby. To be fair, Josh did that a few times, but I can hardly blame him. Josh did it when Kizer didn't even SEE him. I remember a crossing pattern when we had the ball 3rd and 8 or so at around our 15. Josh breaks open at full speed across the middle about 15 yards down field and would've run forever. I think we were down 3 at the time. Kizer bounced one into double coverage to the sidelines. 

Odell doesn't fit into our team. He'd be way too expensive. And frankly, I'm currently fine with our WRs (subject to change if Josh breaks my heart again). Guys, don't give up on Corey Coleman please. He had about as bad a start as a guy can get, and he's definitely made his own mistakes. But Corey didn't choose to break his hand twice or get to play with bozos at the WR and QB positions. Corey Coleman playing alongside Josh Gordon and Jarvis Landry is going to be a threat, I'm telling you guys. I'm talking 800 yards, 7 Tds, and some explosive plays.