@tour2ma said:

Well... at least there was one item that touched on "culture"...

Apparently we now have players who say "wasn't my fault."

What is it that you're expecting?  Bringing in players who paint portraits?  Perform in their local philharmonics?  Poets?

Our team was full of players that have done nothing but lose their whole time here.  Including three lost soul QB's.  A lot is different now.  That's a culture change on a football team.

@orion said:

From signing a QB that knows how to play in the NFL...as opposed to our QB throwing int's all the time.  (QB play is so important)

From bringing in Landry for the slot...which is something TT likes to utilize.

From bringing in OLinemen, DB's, RB, etc.

All of these guys come from other teams where games are won and winning is expected.  They come right out and say that they had no part in our past losing.

The knowledge that a respected football man is in charge...and that the best QB in the draft is going to be joining the team.

Cumulatively the team is much different, better and far removed from the last 2 years.

Well... at least there was one item that touched on "culture"...

Apparently we now have players who say "wasn't my fault."

@the-gipper said:

Its like midnight in London....and it sounds like you have drained the pub of all its bitters.

None of the rest of us have a clue what you are talking about.

How about London After Midnight

@tour2ma said:

Culture change? From what to what and how does your take reflect the change you see?

From signing a QB that knows how to play in the NFL...as opposed to our QB throwing int's all the time.  (QB play is so important)

From bringing in Landry for the slot...which is something TT likes to utilize.

From bringing in OLinemen, DB's, RB, etc.

All of these guys come from other teams where games are won and winning is expected.  They come right out and say that they had no part in our past losing.

The knowledge that a respected football man is in charge...and that the best QB in the draft is going to be joining the team.

Cumulatively the team is much different, better and far removed from the last 2 years.

@orion said:

I swear, we are a better team right now than we've been in some time....and we haven't hit the draft and our 5 picks in the first two rounds yet.  

By trading for TieRod & Landry he gave our offense a reason to exist.  That sent the signal to free agency that we were no longer going to be the Siberia of the NFL.  Such that you don't have to avoid Cleveland like the plague any more.  And he WAS able to sign some FA's.  -  This really is a big deal for the Browns. 

He's trying to change the culture...and I mean REALLY change the culture.  

Good post... the heart of which I plucked out to address and ask a question.

Agree that we are better right now than we've been... in a couple seasons.... three tops. Almost all of any "better" comes in the form of TT and the QB spot. Landry? Good player, but it's not like we haven't had 1000-yd receivers recently... that they played outside and TE matters not. Issue is that as of now TT and Landry are merely leased players... and expensive leasees at that.

FA signings are nothing new. They happen every year. This year the volume is up, but that's merely the product of a philosophy change away from an emphasis on growing our own. Make a change in the direction we had and there is going to be an exaggerated "snap-back". As for "Siberia"... when you still have to overpay for the FA talent you land, then you are still Siberia. Until our leasees are locked up by new contracts their acquisition doesn't send a signal anywhere to anyone.

And now the question... Culture change? From what to what and how does your take reflect the change you see?

@tour2ma said:

Glad you stayed...

One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.

Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and HAD McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?

FIFY

And here is a nice little article on the changes.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000921673/article/freeagency-debrief-four-reshaped-teams-i-cant-wait-to-see

@londonbrown said:

Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that. 

you are a Shmucking idiot

In two phucking years we've had ONE MONDAY MORNING where we woke up with a football smile.  ONE!

He's brought in a player so that Peppers doesn't have to play goalie any more.

He's brought in a QB who won't constantly throw it to the other team if we happen to get into scoring position.

Crow wanted the hell out of town so he brought in a guy to fill the void quite well.

He got us a receiver who actually catches the damn ball.

He's spent some of out draft picks to improve our team.  And what the hell was the youngest team in the league gonna do with 12 draft picks anyway?  Get younger?  More inexperienced?  

I swear, we are a better team right now than we've been in some time....and we haven't hit the draft and our 5 picks in the first two rounds yet.  

By trading for TieRod & Landry he gave our offense a reason to exist.  That sent the signal to free agency that we were no longer going to be the Siberia of the NFL.  Such that you don't have to avoid Cleveland like the plague any more.  And he WAS able to sign some FA's.  -  This really is a big deal for the Browns.  He's trying to change the culture...and I mean REALLY change the culture.  

With our future QB being picked at #1 overall in April, and the #4 pick bringing someone who should contribute day one...and three second round picks who will hopefully improve the situation even more....well...it just appears like we could be a REAL football team right now.  Not GREAT right now, but respectable.  And if you want to attract talent, then you have to be respectable.  

Since the end of the regular season we've known that no FA was going to want to come here.  Well, Dorsey turned some mid round draft picks into players that made us more attractive to FA's.  -  Smart move if you ask me.

@tour2ma said:

Idiotic... a blind man can see that this year would have been more active in FA... not Dorsey active, but active.

And the difference in activity level would have been in keeping with the now abandoned, organizational philosophy of developing young players rather than collecting cast offs from the rest of the league.

Everything old is new again.

Tour, you honestly can't call Landry a "cast off". Cap Casualty. LOL, you want to call Suh a "cast off"?   Sure, he's too expensive and too old for our master plan...   

@londonbrown said:

Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that. 

No matter what the situation, any team of any sport needs experience mixed with youth. I get that in in the past a lot of time and money has been wasted on mercenaries but this seems a different approach with dorsey. I'm very new to this sport so yes I'm a bit naive maybe but the TT deal for example....I just don't think we could have wished for anything better. In my eyes he's exactly what we need along with the #1 QB of choice. The likes of cousins and smith were never even considering the browns given where we're at at the mo. Yes i dont know a great deal about some of the other guys signed but they all have a level of game time/experience under their belts which will get us a few wins I'm sure. Then we can start looking at the next level of improvement and so on. 

Maybe I haven't followed this team long enough for the negativity to have set in but things look a hell of a lot more positive for next season.....and we've got the draft to come yet, to trade all those picks away 

@londonbrown said:

Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that. 

so in your mind the F.O have shiit the bed,so tell me who would have you brought in

@mr.-make-believe said:

I don't think it's leaders as much as it is "guys who have won games". As opposed to what we had over the last two years "guys who have won game."

Hence the short term thinking comment. Winning six games is worse than winning one. But people can’t handle that. 

@tour2ma said:

Glad you stayed...

One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.

Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?

I don't think it's leaders as much as it is "guys who have won games". As opposed to what we had over the last two years "guys who have won game."

@the-gipper said:

Is that what it seems we are doing  Collecting castoffs?  I don't know....some, maybe.   I knew Dorsey wanted us to get a little more veteran presence.  NOt sure of the respective ages of the guys we picked up/traded for.    Anyone over 30?

Fells I think is 31.

@tour2ma said:

Glad you stayed...

One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.

Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?

McCourty no more.

@tour2ma said:

Idiotic... a blind man can see that this year would have been more active in FA... not Dorsey active, but active.

And the difference in activity level would have been in keeping with the now abandoned, organizational philosophy of developing young players rather than collecting cast offs from the rest of the league.

Everything old is new again.

Is that what it seems we are doing  Collecting castoffs?  I don't know....some, maybe.   I knew Dorsey wanted us to get a little more veteran presence.  NOt sure of the respective ages of the guys we picked up/traded for.    Anyone over 30?

@tour2ma said:

Great news...

Some of us have just never been cool with winning "some"... like we did from 2001 thru 2015.

That said we are just seeing the beginning of the new plan unfolding. So far there's some to like... some to criticize. Maybe it'll make more sense when Fa is done and the Draft is over. But maybe it'll make less sense.

And then comes the season...

honestly i do not see anything not to like so far we have given up a third round pick (still have are top 5 picks) and we have 3 starters on offense 

@tour2ma said:

You should just be happy he accused you of thinking...

DOH I Believe i just got body slammed OUCH 

@syd said:

WTF do you mean ? there is so much short term thinking ? 

You should just be happy he accused you of thinking...

@canton-mike said:

I spoke with Mud a few weeks ago. He'll be back eventually.

Great news...

@jrb12711 said:

This team wins one game over 2 seasons and people are complaining we made moves to trade mid-round draft picks to get to a respectable win/loss total. I honestly have no idea what in God's name people actually want anymore.

Yeah, it's unlikely Tyrod Taylor is going to be a SB winning QB. But you mofos act like we've even won big this past decade, and get mad when a FO makes move to actually win. Unbelievable.

Some of us have just never been cool with winning "some"... like we did from 2001 thru 2015.

That said we are just seeing the beginning of the new plan unfolding. So far there's some to like... some to criticize. Maybe it'll make more sense when Fa is done and the Draft is over. But maybe it'll make less sense.

And then comes the season...

@londonbrown said:

Welcome back man. There’s a lot of short term thinking around for sure but it’s understandable after 1-31. 

WTF do you mean ? there is so much short term thinking ? 

@tour2ma said:

Glad you stayed...

One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.

Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?

Welcome back man. There’s a lot of short term thinking around for sure but it’s understandable after 1-31. 

@londonbrown said:

Overreacted. Apologies all  

I still think we’re making bad moves though #65 for a one year bridge  QB being the worst of it. 

The Browns have got Duke, Kirksey, Ogunjobi for instance at that spot or lower.  It’s a valuable pick.

Glad you stayed...

One of these vet-loving folks need to explain exactly how many vet examples a locker room needs. Seems to me like it's always 2 to 5 guys.

Offense we had Thomas and still have Bito and Zeitler. Defense has Collins and McCourty. May be we need 32 leaders? More?