@the-gipper said:

Updated:

Here is a recap on the Browns moves so far:

OUT:

Joe Thomas retires

Danny Shelton traded

DeShone Kizer traded

Isaiah Crow leaves via FA

IN:

QB Tyrod Taylor in via trade

WR Jarvis Landry in via trade

DB Damarious Randall in via trade

CB Terrence Mitchell signed as FA

OT Donald Stephenson signed as FA

DE Chris Smith signed as FA

RB Carlos Hyde signed via FA

OT Chris Hubbard signed as FA

TE Darren Fells signed as FA

CB TJ Carrie  as FA

Further updates:  All these guys OUT:

Terminated contract (2):

DB Jason McCourty

DB B.W. Webb

Waived (8):

DL Ricky Ali'ifua

OL Zach Banner

DL Collin Bevins

LB Jeremy Cash

OL Joseph Cheek

WR Sammie Coates

DB Trevon Hartfield

Jason Rounds

Besides McCourty.....and Coates.....we hardly knew that any of these guys were on the Browns roster. Or, if you knew....you hardly gave them a thought.

Have I missed anyone else who is either in or out?

@the-gipper said:

Updated:

OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?: huge upgrade. 

RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result? Under-rated move. 

OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?: not as bad as it looks. I've got a feeling were going focus on the running game.

DBs:  Damarious Randall, TJ Carrie and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result? Carrie I like as the #2. Randall hasn't played FS since college and I don't know anything about mitchell.

DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?: I've got a feeling were going to get one of the big name DTs but right now this is bad

WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result? Huge. We finally focus on bringing in playmakers

TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result? Again I think we focus on the running game so this is a underrated signing. If Fells is as good as a blocker as I've been hearing then this will really help

OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:

RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result?

OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:

DBs:  Damarious Randall, TJ Carrie and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?

DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:

WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?

TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?

Here is a recap on the Browns moves so far:

OUT:

Joe Thomas retires

Danny Shelton traded

DeShone Kizer traded

Isaiah Crow leaves via FA

IN:

QB Tyrod Taylor in via trade

WR Jarvis Landry in via trade

DB Damarious Randall in via trade

CB Terrence Mitchell signed as FA

OT Donald Stephenson signed as FA

DE Chris Smith signed as FA

RB Carlos Hyde signed via FA

OT Chris Hubbard signed as FA

TE Darren Fells signed as FA

CB TJ Carrie  as FA

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:.......filled a need, lost a backup......but not done yet?

RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result??.........the Crow flew East......not bad

OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:.......count to 5, see you in Canton!  Tough loss.

DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?......filled some need spots, not done yet?

DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:..... eh, wait, should be ok

WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?........has to help, maybe big!

TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?......again wait but should be OK

??: 10 more picks? Woo-hoo!

@louisville-slugger said:

Alot of high level talent in the 2nd. If we don't come away with one of those I would be shocked. I've been pretty vocal that I think Penny is the best RB in this draft but Guice and Chubb are also very good options

I've been completely on the Penny bandwagon since I saw the Stanford and ASU games.  

@dawg2fan said:

Well if you compare a 20 year old rookie QB to a Veteran especially with the additions we made to this team, of course Taylor is better.  I can promise when the Packers are ready to start Kizer, he will be much better than Tyrod.  

you mean to say IF the Packers are every EVER READY to start him. 

@the-gipper said:

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:  A guy with career 23-20 record over one with an 0-15 record?  Need I say more?

Well if you compare a 20 year old rookie QB to a Veteran especially with the additions we made to this team, of course Taylor is better.  I can promise when the Packers are ready to start Kizer, he will be much better than Tyrod.  

@the-gipper said:

OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?: Improved but lets be honest, most QB's with two arms would be an improvement. Some possibly with one arm

RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result? This is a wash and disappointing and thats coming from a Buckeye homer. Keeps us from taking the best weapon we could have had. 

OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?: as someone else said, Catastrophic loss 

DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result? The safety has the chance to be an improvement, the CB is JAG

DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?: - I  am likely in the minority but this is a downgrade to me, luckily I believe this is depth behind someone else we sign or draft

WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result? HUGE addition 

TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result? improvement for blocking

@louisville-slugger said:

Either you guys are too high on Crowell or too low on Hyde. Crowell had a top notch burst, but that's it. Hyde is a guy that is going to grind it out and get those extra yards. He may not break away like Crowell could but this is a big improvement. Can Hyde stay healthy is the big question 

And...we will be getting an RB in the draft.  I am fairly convinced of that.

@the-gipper said:

OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:best qb available via trade or F.A 

RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result?i doubt you will see Hyde falling down 5 yards away from any defender 

OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:that's why we brought in Fells he's a damn good blocker

DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result? better i suppose 

DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:Smith more of a 4-3 guy remember that Shelton only played 44 % of the plays last year

WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?Hell yes 

TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result? see above 

@the-gipper said:

OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:  A guy with career 23-20 record over one with an 0-15 record?  Need I say more?

RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result?  A plus....even if it only via a better attitude.

OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:  Big negative, obviously

DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?  Has to be a major plus since no one is out yet. So...who among current DBs gets aufed?

DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:  Hard to judge, different slots.   likely a wash so far...but I think Browns pick up a DT in FA...possibly Poe

WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?  Big plus....even if they dump Higgins/Louis.  (do not expect Coleman to go...but you never know....never expected Kizer to go either)

TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?  A backup....will trust Dorsey that this guy can play....a plus.

@the-gipper said:

I will expect to see your check for those 2 cents in the mail.

(once upon a time I actually got a 2 cent check from some government entity as a refund on something)

LOL Gip, true story. I had paid off my student loan. The loan company was actually dumb enough to spend an 18 cent stamp to send me a 12 cent bill. I mailed it back to them with a pretty nasty letter pointing out idiotic that was. Never heard from them again. 

@hoorta said:

Just my 0.02 Gip.   

I will expect to see your check for those 2 cents in the mail.

(once upon a time I actually got a 2 cent check from some government entity as a refund on something)

@the-gipper said:

OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?: big +

RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result? wash

OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?: ya can't replace a HOFer big minus

DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result? TBD

DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?: According to local Bengals fan +

WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result? +++ count on one or two scrubs gone WR in draft

TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result? TBD

Just my 0.02 Gip.   

@the-gipper said:

OK, so, lets play  Plus, Minus Absurdio here:

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:  Much better

RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result?  Slightly better, maybe a wash

OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:  Catastrophic

DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?  Can't be much worse than before

DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:  Probably worse, but not by much

WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?  Much better

TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?  Better than Telfair if that's who he's replacing

QB  Taylor in.....Kizer out:   Net result?:

RB:   Hyde in......Crowell out:  Net result?

OT:  Joe Thomas out......OLs Chris Hubbard and Donald Stephenson in   Net result?:

DBs:  Damarious Randall and Terrence Mitchell in......no one out...yet.    Net Result?

DL:  Danny Shelton Out...   Chris Smith In....Net result?:

WR:  Jarvis Landry In......no one out...yet  Net result?

TE:  Darren Fells In...no one out...yet   Net Result?