@dutch-oven said:

No one on here wants to take my bets, sadly enough. 

Sure we will... you just need to make stupider bets.

@dutch-oven said:

Yes I do.

I thought it was such a pathetic attempt at trying to grab attention that I offered Ghoolie a $1000 bet that the Browns wouldn't do this.

No one on here wants to take my bets, sadly enough. 

If I can think a good enough sucker bet I'll bet you.

@jcam222 said:

Does anyone else remember Ghoolie saying we would take Lamar Jackson at 1? I dont think he does lol

Yes I do.

I thought it was such a pathetic attempt at trying to grab attention that I offered Ghoolie a $1000 bet that the Browns wouldn't do this.

No one on here wants to take my bets, sadly enough. 

@jcam222 said:

Does anyone else remember Ghoolie saying we would take Lamar Jackson at 1? I dont think he does lol

I can't remember what the ignored folks say.

I guess it is possible Phoolie has himself on "Ignore".

@ghoolie said:

The one thing you can bet on is this................They will take Black Tarkenton at #1, and then trade down the #4

@jcam222 said:

So you are telling us they are taking Lamar Jackson at #1 then?

@ghoolie said:

Yes.

Then they will trade the #4 away.

Does anyone else remember Ghoolie saying we would take Lamar Jackson at 1? I dont think he does lol

@hoorta said:

If "multiple teams" have contacted the Browns about the #1, it only makes sense they've talked to the Giants about #2 also. NY is standing pat for the minute too.

Agree...

I have to believe the Giants will hang there until our pick is announced and if we take "their QB", then they are outta there.

@tour2ma said:

This just in... JB wasn't seen as worth that in the 50's either.

Sixth overall pick.  Interestingly....the Top of that draft was very, very good.   3 HOFers in the top 6...and another borderline (Brodie)

Actually...it is 4 HOFers in the Top 8.   Jim Parker HOF OL   was the #8 pick. 

Not sure if any other draft has ever had 4 of its top 8 picks make HOF.

@tour2ma said:

We may well find out what the #4 will fetch because it seems we are not all that open for business at #1 afterall...

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If "multiple teams" have contacted the Browns about the #1, it only makes sense they've talked to the Giants about #2 also. NY is standing pat for the minute too.

@the-gipper said:

Only problem:   who can say that the 4th QB...or even the 5th or 6th QB in this group is any better or any worse than what someone else thinks is #1

It is not about what they will end up being (HOFers, busts, whatever). It is about teams evaluating them and placing them in their board. 

If 4 QB needy teams evaluate the QBs, it would surprise me that all of them have every QB in a different position. Maybe 1 and 2 can be different, but number 4? Each of these quaterbacks have veeery different skillsets, and you start making your team in FA. If you go in one direction in free agency, you should not suddenly go in other direction in the Draft. 

Let's say you want to have a very vertical attack. You sign 2 WR, one of whom is a speedster and a TE who can go deep. In that scenario I see more a QB like Allen drafted than Mayfield, for example. So you put Allen in the top and Mayfield on 4th. If you are Denver or Buffalo, are you trading up to #4 if only Mayfield is available? 

@hoorta said:

In case you haven't heard- this is a weak WR class, so sure, let's draft a couple more Colemans. Barkley is a a Zumba Instructor that can't pick up tough yards inside. 

I think that was once the narrative, h, but while it lacks elite talent at the top I think it is proving to be deep in good to very good WR talent. We may only see one or two go Day 1, but could easily see a dozen go Day 2.

As for Barky... if there's one criticism of him it is that he does not pound into the line inside.

@orion said:

Even Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't be worth that in today's NFL.

This just in... JB wasn't seen as worth that in the 50's either.

@ghoolie said:

They need players who can win football games. What the fukc good is a QB with no running backs, tight ends or WRs? Barkely is the pick at #1, Trade Coleman and Garrett with some combination of this year's #4 and next year's 1st. Pick 3 times in the first round. RB, QB WR  then a WR in the first pick of the second round. ANything else will yield MORE NOTHING

In case you haven't heard- this is a weak WR class, so sure, let's draft a couple more Colemans. Barkley is a a Zumba Instructor that can't pick up tough yards inside. 

@poeticg said:

Chubb #1 overall and Josh Allen... Darren, quite now- adults are talking...

Adults are capable of spelling the word "quiet'... 

@nero said:

I'm late to this thread, but these news mean a few good things for me: 

1. Browns are not trading down from #1, thus taking the best QB in their board.

2. NY is taking a QB or waiting for the Bills/Denver to get nervous and make the most out of #2. Either way, #2 is a QB too. 

3. Jets take a QB at #3

4. The draft starts again for the Browns with the overall #1 pick but with the addition of a promising QB (let's hope he becomes a good franchise quaterback). Therefore, we can take BPA, or even trade down with Denver and take BPA anyway (this is best case scenario, with NY taking a QB too). 

Anyway, I guess #4 pick has rised its stock, but I doubt anyone will go crazy for the 4th QB: it would show bad planning by a team if ANY Qb would fit into their system, as they're very different prospects. It would be weird for me if the QB board would look COMPLETELY different between NFL teams... There will be probably a consensus on who's 4th best among QB needy teams.

Only problem:   who can say that the 4th QB...or even the 5th or 6th QB in this group is any better or any worse than what someone else thinks is #1

WSS

@orion said:

You're overly negative Ghoolie.

You are just now getting around to figuring that out about him?

I don't see the value of taking a RB #1 overall.  Even Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't be worth that in today's NFL.    -  It's Pass & Rush the Passer.  We want the best QB in the draft.  Not the best RB.  We can do fine with the right 2nd round RB.  - Yes, we need WR.  At TE we 'should' be ok.  Our offense needs all the attention it can get...but the best pass rusher in the draft at #4 would help our team immensely. 

1. Browns are not trading down from #1, thus taking the best QB in their board.

2. NY is taking a QB or waiting for the Bills/Denver to get nervous and make the most out of #2. Either way, #2 is a QB too. 

3. Jets take a QB at #3

4. The draft starts again for the Browns with the overall #1 pick but with the addition of a promising QB (let's hope he becomes a good franchise quaterback). Therefore, we can take BPA, or even trade down with Denver and take BPA anyway (this is best case scenario, with NY taking a QB too). 

Anyway, I guess #4 pick has rised its stock, but I doubt anyone will go crazy for the 4th QB: it would show bad planning by a team if ANY Qb would fit into their system, as they're very different prospects. It would be weird for me if the QB board would look COMPLETELY different between NFL teams... There will be probably a consensus on who's 4th best among QB needy teams.

I don't see the value of taking a RB #1 overall.  Even Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't be worth that in today's NFL.    -  It's Pass & Rush the Passer.  We want the best QB in the draft.  Not the best RB.  We can do fine with the right 2nd round RB.  - Yes, we need WR.  At TE we 'should' be ok.  Our offense needs all the attention it can get...but the best pass rusher in the draft at #4 would help our team immensely. 

@ghoolie said:

So you are saying that the Browns are racist.

In reality....quite the contrary.   They were, after all named after  a Brown man.....Joe Louis, the Brown Bomber.

Its just that all the top rated QBs this year happen to be white.  

If there were a Cam Newton,  Jameis Winston...maybe even a DeShaun Watson or Marcus Mariota....all people of color, they would be on them like hotcakes likely.

Besides.....in case you haven't noticed lately....our QB IS black.     (SSSHHHush)

@orion said:

Do you see McCarron on our roster?

Jackson may have a voice that's actually listened to and thought about...but Dorsey is calling the shots.

Yeah, Dorsey's calling the shots........you can hear his muffled voice due to his nose up Hue Jackson's asss.

Dorsey will be gone in a year.

@ghoolie said:

Hue Jackson calls the shots.

Do you see McCarron on our roster?

Jackson may have a voice that's actually listened to and thought about...but Dorsey is calling the shots.

@hoorta said:

What? You think Sashi is still running the draft? It's going to be a quarterback, but definitely not Jackson. We're not taking the 5-6th best quarterback at #1. We may trade out of the #4, but I wouldn't count on it. 

I'd suggest you watch some tape on Chubb- a Zumba instructor he isn't. He's currently my pick at #4. 

They need players who can win football games. What the fukc good is a QB with no running backs, tight ends or WRs? Barkely is the pick at #1, Trade Coleman and Garrett with some combination of this year's #4 and next year's 1st. Pick 3 times in the first round. RB, QB WR  then a WR in the first pick of the second round. ANything else will yield MORE NOTHING

@the-gipper said:

Semi-realistic would be that they  draft a combination of Chubb, Minkah, Barkley.....or some other position player....and they go for  QB at the top of round 2.

Only 2 problems with that:   A.  They are NOT going to pass on a QB......they would be crucified, crucified, crucified.   and B. If they did....they would still not take Jackson....they would take Rudolph...or White or Lauletta or one of the others that may be available then.

So you are saying that the Browns are racist.

@jcam222 said:

Not even in an alternate universe run by Ray Farmer would we take Lamar Jackson at #1. At least make it something believable like we trade down multi times from #1 and #4 ending up with Jackson later in the draft. Not something I want but at least something in the realm of believable. 

Hue Jackson calls the shots. He wants another black Tarkenton. I wouldn't put ANYTHING past these jackoffs. Ah.. they DID take Zumba Girl at #1 #1, and Coleman. So, save the theatrics. It ain't like the Browns haven't done dumber things.