Zombo said:

If you are using a stat as a measuring stick that does not include Jim Kelly, I would get rid of that stat.

Zombo

Fair point.....but, I had used any number of other measuring sticks:    QBs in the HOF,    QBs who started in Super Bowls;  QBs who were drafted in the first round....etc.   This was just another poker chip in the ante.    If you have another measuring stick to suggest.....I would be glad to flesh it out.

@thenew23 said:

This is really a dumb conversation. Tennessee is a good example... how many good QBs were before Manning, or Miami (OH) (Big Ben), Michigan (Brady), Cal (Rodgers), and so on... which college they went to means absolutely nothing...

It is called:   Entertainment.

And actually....it DOES mean something if you are a fan of a particular school.

(and FYI, Cal had two former QBs start Super Bowls before Aaron Rodgers:    Craig Morton and Joe Kapp)

@boo-fagley said:

You never fail to disappoint and make an butt of yourself. Good job.

The Akron Pros were a professional football team For his 1914 recruiting efforts, Parratt signed the usual big-name players, which consisted of a lineup that changed from week to week, with just enough stars on hand to guarantee a win. However, in 1914, he also employed several former Notre Dame stars, including the legendary Knute Rockne

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron_Pros

Never said that Rockne never played football somewhere.....I said that he never played in the NFL...and was known as a coach.  In 1914 the NFL did not yet exist. 

And you had no clue that Rockne even played semi-pro type ball for the Akron Pros until you googled him. 

But...since you say you know so much about this.....why can you not know who played in the 1990s?

@the-gipper said:

Here is one way to answer the question:   What is QBU:

I am looking at the PFR career Production Average of the Top 250 players in NFL history...or at least since they did measuring of this which is like from 1960 forward.

Of these 250 Top players,   45 of them are QBs.   So....the following are schools that had multiple QBs come out of there in the Top 45 productive QBs since the 60s:

Purdue has 3:   Dawson, Griese, Brees

Alabama has 3:   Namath, Starr, Stabler

Stanford has 2;   Brodie, Elway

NC St. has 2:  Roman Gabriel and Phillip Rivers

Cal has 2:   Aaron Rodgers and Craig Morton

And that is it...all other schools had just one.   

Now, this leaves out a lot of guys.   Because it is a career production average.....guys with longer careers got more points.

Take Miami Fla.....the only QB in the top 45 CA was:  Vinny Testaverde.......meaning that Kosar and Kelly were not in there.  And anyone that knows anything knows that Kelly and Kosar were better QBs than Vinny.....yet that is how these particular numbers came out.

If you are using a stat as a measuring stick that does not include Jim Kelly, I would get rid of that stat.

Zombo

Have the Buzzards returned to Hinckley as well?

@the-gipper said:

Didn't say Bono etc. were any good.  But you have heard of them.  That was all that was about.  

And the course of this discussion has fuyuck all to do with what the Browns want. 

Are you seriously so goddam dumb that you cannot follow along with a thread? 

@the-gipper said:

You are not even smart enough to know that Knute Rockne was a college coach.....and NOT an NFL player.

You are showing your ignorance with every stroke of the key.   If you want to keep making a fool of yourself...by all means do so..  otherwise I would just go watch TV or something. 

You never fail to disappoint and make an butt of yourself. Good job.

The Akron Pros were a professional football team For his 1914 recruiting efforts, Parratt signed the usual big-name players, which consisted of a lineup that changed from week to week, with just enough stars on hand to guarantee a win. However, in 1914, he also employed several former Notre Dame stars, including the legendary Knute Rockne

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron_Pros

@boo-fagley said:

Bono blows.

Bono, Maddox and Shroeder were not good QBs on any planet.

Is that all the Browns want? A good QB. Gee, you would think that they would be after a great QB 

Didn't say Bono etc. were any good.  But you have heard of them.  That was all that was about.  

And the course of this discussion has fuyuck all to do with what the Browns want. 

Are you seriously so goddam dumb that you cannot follow along with a thread? 

@boo-fagley said:

Enough to know that Knute Rockne could not play in todays NFL regardless of your Idiotic charts and graphs.

You are not even smart enough to know that Knute Rockne was a college coach.....and NOT an NFL player.

You are showing your ignorance with every stroke of the key.   If you want to keep making a fool of yourself...by all means do so..  otherwise I would just go watch TV or something. 

@the-gipper said:

That was NOT the criteria.  The criteria was simply:   What school has put out the most Good QBs?  (the exact quote from Tour was:  "what school can be considered  QBU"....and this from Dutch:  So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?

 Winning SBs was only a part of that.  Being in the HOF is a part of that.  Being a good QB was a part of that.  Other things were part of that. 

Bono blows.

Bono, Maddox and Shroeder were not good QBs on any planet.

Is that all the Browns want? A good QB. Gee, you would think that they would be after a great QB 

I am looking at the PFR career Production Average of the Top 250 players in NFL history...or at least since they did measuring of this which is like from 1960 forward.

Of these 250 Top players,   45 of them are QBs.   So....the following are schools that had multiple QBs come out of there in the Top 45 productive QBs since the 60s:

Purdue has 3:   Dawson, Griese, Brees

Alabama has 3:   Namath, Starr, Stabler

Stanford has 2;   Brodie, Elway

NC St. has 2:  Roman Gabriel and Phillip Rivers

Cal has 2:   Aaron Rodgers and Craig Morton

And that is it...all other schools had just one.   

Now, this leaves out a lot of guys.   Because it is a career production average.....guys with longer careers got more points.

Take Miami Fla.....the only QB in the top 45 CA was:  Vinny Testaverde.......meaning that Kosar and Kelly were not in there.  And anyone that knows anything knows that Kelly and Kosar were better QBs than Vinny.....yet that is how these particular numbers came out.

@the-gipper said:

How many brain cells do you have?  Very few I surmise.

Enough to know that Knute Rockne could not play in todays NFL regardless of your Idiotic charts and graphs.

@texasag1969 said:

This game can go on a while.

Joe Kapp, Craig Morton, Steve Bartkowski   I  know  ....Ancient history.

Kinda would be good to talk about QBs relevant to todays game since the Browns are drafting one.

Goff looks promising. Rodgers might be the best. 

@boo-fagley said:

Steve Bono sucked. 

The criteria is Super Bowls winning QBs and not guys passing out cups of Gatorade.

That was NOT the criteria.  The criteria was simply:   What school has put out the most Good QBs?  (the exact quote from Tour was:  "what school can be considered  QBU"....and this from Dutch:  So what school is the best for QBs? Alabama? Miami? Notre Dame?

 Winning SBs was only a part of that.  Being in the HOF is a part of that.  Being a good QB was a part of that.  Other things were part of that. 

@boo-fagley said:

How many other Caveman QBs you got?

How many brain cells do you have?  Very few I surmise.

@boo-fagley said:

Lately Cal is looking good.

Goff and Rodgers.

This game can go on a while.

Joe Kapp, Craig Morton, Steve Bartkowski   I  know  ....Ancient history.

Goff and Rodgers.

@the-gipper said:

Really....you never heard of Tommy Maddox, Jay Schroeder, Steve Bono:

Steve Bono sucked. 

The criteria is Super Bowls winning QBs and not guys passing out cups of Gatorade.

@the-gipper said:

Don't play the ignoramous role.   Or...are you not playing it?

How many other Caveman QBs you got?

@the-gipper said:

Don't play the ignoramous role.   Or...are you not playing it?

He's vying for a role in the remake of the old Peters Sellers movie, "Being There"

Zombo said:

I put zero stock in this, Michigan QBs were overrated before Brday, Tennessee QBs were overrated before Manning, etc.

Wasn't Bill Nelson a USC guy? I liked him. May not have been drafted though.

Zombo

He was USC, and he was drafted by the Steelers, then sent to the Browns for Penis Shiner:

Nelsen was drafted in the 10th round of the 1963 NFL Draft by the Steelers, but saw limited action during his first two seasons. In 1965, new head coach Mike Nixon gave Nelsen the starting job. However, the struggling team finished 2-12, offering him little help, with Nelsen throwing for eight touchdowns, in addition to 17 interceptions. In the November 14, 1965 game against the Dallas Cowboys, Nelsen suffered a knee injury that plagued him the remainder of that year and underwent surgery after the season.

The following season, Nelsen suffered a knee injury against the Detroit Lions in the season's second game. Originally scheduled to be out of the lineup for six weeks, Nelsen would not return until the season's 12th week. The limited time on the field allowed him to set a league record for fewest interceptions (100 minimum passes) with just one on the campaign. In the season finale on December 18, he completed his final 11 passes to defeat the expansion Atlanta Falcons.

In 1967, the injuries continued for Nelsen when during the closing moments of the September 24 game against the St. Louis Cardinals, he was injured following a tackle by Chuck Walker. He missed the next four games, but came off the bench to engineer a 14-10 comeback victory over the expansion New Orleans Saints on October 29.

On May 14, 1968, Nelsen was traded, along with defensive back Jim Bradshaw, to the Browns. In return, the Pittsburgh Steelers received quarterback finger Shiner, defensive tackle Frank Parker and an undisclosed draft choice.^[1]The trade wound up helping both teams, as within a month into the season, both Nelsen and Shiner were starting at quarterback for their new clubs.

After serving as Frank Ryan's backup for three games in 1968, Nelsen was elevated to the starting role, and quickly made his mark with a shocking 30-20 upset of the previously unbeaten Baltimore Colts on October 20. By the end of the season, Nelsen had led the team to the playoffs, winning nine of his 11 starts.

In 1969, Nelsen had another strong season, leading the Browns to a 10-3-1 record and a postseason berth, as well as being selected to his first and only Pro Bowl. One week after throwing for five touchdowns in a 42-10 victory over the previously unbeaten Dallas Cowboys on November 2, Nelsen spent a miserable afternoon against the Minnesota Vikings on the losing end of a 51-3 score. In addition, he briefly left that game with a pinched nerve in his throwing arm, a malady that would trouble him for the rest of the season.

In game two of the 1970 NFL season, Nelsen took yet another hit to his knees in a September 27 game against the San Francisco 49ers. The injury forced him out of the game and kept him on the sidelines the following week as well. After a midseason slump, he was replaced for one game by rookie Mike Phipps, but returned to start the final five games. Unfortunately, the Browns dropped to a 7-7 mark and missed the postseason.

In 1971, Nelsen led the Browns to four wins in their first five games, but another midseason slump once again relegated him to the bench for one game. Unlike the previous year, however, Nelsen led the team to five straight victories to once again reach the playoffs. Nelsen briefly won the starting job to start the 1972 season, but gave way to Phipps after a 26-10 loss to the Green Bay Packers in the opening game. Weeks after the conclusion of the season, Nelsen underwent his fifth knee operation and announced his retirement.

In 2012, the Plain Dealer named Nelsen #52 on its list of the top 100 Browns of all time.^[2]