@dutch-oven said:

Agree about WRs and the Steelers... A Steelers fan I know from the Butler, PA area said he's heard rumors that the Steelers are considering taking Lamar Jackson with their 1st round pick.

Eh...hope not.

@tour2ma said:

Sound basis for picking him...

Caught me a big one!...lol.

@stinkhole said:

The Steelers will draft the QB everyone is overlooking...Mason Rudolph, who has compared himself to Ben.

Even Gipper would hate to see this happen. Right Gip?

Not overly concerned about Brown.  The Steelers seem to have developed a knack for finding talent at the wr position...JuJu, Bryant

Agree about WRs and the Steelers... A Steelers fan I know from the Butler, PA area said he's heard rumors that the Steelers are considering taking Lamar Jackson with their 1st round pick.

@stinkhole said:

Mason Rudolph, who has compared himself to Ben.

Sound basis for picking him...

@dutch-oven said:

Not only is Roethlisberger getting near the end, but this will be Antonio Brown's 9th season. 

Their window for a title is closing. Problem is, their biggest nemesis in the AFC could be on the downswing too. 

The Steelers will draft the QB everyone is overlooking...Mason Rudolph, who has compared himself to Ben.

Even Gipper would hate to see this happen. Right Gip?

Not overly concerned about Brown.  The Steelers seem to have developed a knack for finding talent at the wr position...JuJu, Bryant

I'm not challenging your football knowledge prowess or challenging your manhood. I'm simply stating---for the 3rd fukking time---that since I've been on this board Ghoolie's preseason win/loss predictions have been dead on. Let it go.

And unless 2/3 of the other AFC teams planes crash the Browns will most certainly not make the playoffs.

@dste-ace said:

When it comes to the Browns, the only thing I'll bet is that the Browns will not make the playoffs. Watching the playoffs last year, I couldn't help but agree with Mike Polk: "It's like they're playing a different sport than we are." After 20 overall years of Sheet football, I'm not holding my breath that that is suddenly going to change.

And yes, it's a little early for Ghoolie to be making a prediction for next season. But, looking back over the last 8-9 years, there is no denying that his win/loss predictions have been dead on. Not defending Ghoolie---just stating a fact. 

If you wont bet me with Ghoolies blessing, then you dont have much faith in his latest prediction.

Why?

I doubt he predicted Hoyer getting hurt and that 7 win season, but if you happen to run across that post, Id take a look at it. You dont need to work in the Caesars Palace odds room to predict that rookie NFL QBs will struggle to win straight out the draft 

I like my chances of Cleveland winning 1 game in every 4 game quarter x 4. I think that they can do even better than that.

@dste-ace said:

When it comes to the Browns, the only thing I'll bet is that the Browns will not make the playoffs. Watching the playoffs last year, I couldn't help but agree with Mike Polk: "It's like they're playing a different sport than we are." After 20 overall years of Sheet football, I'm not holding my breath that that is suddenly going to change.

And yes, it's a little early for Ghoolie to be making a prediction for next season. But, looking back over the last 8-9 years, there is no denying that his win/loss predictions have been dead on. Not defending Ghoolie---just stating a fact. 

The BROWNS making the 2018 playoffs would be the NFL story of the year, decade whatever the ultimate worst ever to first story. Realistically they have little shot UNLESS everything fell exactly right and with some real lucky bounces.

@boo-fagley said:

Then Ghoolie should take my bet and as many as he can find.

Or, you and I could bet?

When it comes to the Browns, the only thing I'll bet is that the Browns will not make the playoffs. Watching the playoffs last year, I couldn't help but agree with Mike Polk: "It's like they're playing a different sport than we are." After 20 overall years of Sheet football, I'm not holding my breath that that is suddenly going to change.

And yes, it's a little early for Ghoolie to be making a prediction for next season. But, looking back over the last 8-9 years, there is no denying that his win/loss predictions have been dead on. Not defending Ghoolie---just stating a fact. 

@ghoolie said:

Improved? WTF are you drinking, dude. The Browns are 0 - 16. They haven't played a fukcing game or added a single top-eschalon player. Every fukcing year you bring your wrinkles butt out here and slobber on about how we have beeter playes, a better management team, better philosophy, and blah blah blah fukcing blah............ Every year since 199 you do this bullschidt, and NOT ONCE............... EVER............... have you been correct.

You talk about "we already have wins in the bag?" I guess those teams we have in the bag will just not show up on game day?

This team is as big of a bag of schidt than it was in 2017.

You like to blabber about BETS? OK, tell me which teams you guarantee we have a win against? You said we already have wins in the bag? $2,500 says you can't name the guaranteed wins. THere is your bullschidt Larry. Tell us, which wins are in the bag already? 

I'll tell you that when you take the $1,000 bet  & my $100 the Browns aren't drafting Lamar Jackson that's floating around & you're so damn sure we are, so cut the crap. As far as me being correct- I lost the survivor pool two years ago in the Super Bowl on point differential. How did I do it?  Predicting every team the Browns were playing was going to win. For the record smartazz, I've never been as optimistic as some of the rah rah guys. 

Draft isn't even here yet- of course your crystal ball says the Browns are going to screw it up again. If you want to post more doom and gloom- fine. Just getting rid of turnover machine Kizer should be good for a win or two. You're saying 4 wins? OK, I can see that- September is still a long way off. 

@dutch-oven said:

I thought you were giving up the NFL and the Browns for the XFL?

You seemed awfully wrapped up emotionally in something you aren't going to follow anymore.

He's just a foul mouthed little child. XFL, 

@ghoolie said:

Improved? WTF are you drinking, dude. The Browns are 0 - 16. They haven't played a fukcing game or added a single top-eschalon player. Every fukcing year you bring your wrinkles butt out here and slobber on about how we have beeter playes, a better management team, better philosophy, and blah blah blah fukcing blah............ Every year since 199 you do this bullschidt, and NOT ONCE............... EVER............... have you been correct.

You talk about "we already have wins in the bag?" I guess those teams we have in the bag will just not show up on game day?

This team is as big of a bag of schidt than it was in 2017.

You like to blabber about BETS? OK, tell me which teams you guarantee we have a win against? You said we already have wins in the bag? $2,500 says you can't name the guaranteed wins. THere is your bullschidt Larry. Tell us, which wins are in the bag already? 

I thought you were giving up the NFL and the Browns for the XFL?

You seemed awfully wrapped up emotionally in something you aren't going to follow anymore.

@hoorta said:

Dare I ask, did you watch any of the playoffs last year? Improved, but still a long way to go....  

Improved? WTF are you drinking, dude. The Browns are 0 - 16. They haven't played a fukcing game or added a single top-eschalon player. Every fukcing year you bring your wrinkles butt out here and slobber on about how we have beeter playes, a better management team, better philosophy, and blah blah blah fukcing blah............ Every year since 199 you do this bullschidt, and NOT ONCE............... EVER............... have you been correct.

You talk about "we already have wins in the bag?" I guess those teams we have in the bag will just not show up on game day?

This team is as big of a bag of schidt than it was in 2017.

You like to blabber about BETS? OK, tell me which teams you guarantee we have a win against? You said we already have wins in the bag? $2,500 says you can't name the guaranteed wins. THere is your bullschidt Larry. Tell us, which wins are in the bag already? 

@syd said:

what about bitcoin ?

Damm fake currency!

@dste-ace said:

You may want to reconsider that bet.

Say what you will about Ghoolie---I've been on this board for 8 years and every year his season win/loss prediction is dead on. 

Then Ghoolie should take my bet and as many as he can find.

Or, you and I could bet?

@boo-fagley said:

Ill take that bet for a bottle of Jose Quirvo 1800. You have about $30 to spend on your end.

You wont bet me though.

He won't take those Lamar Jackson bets either...  

@dste-ace said:

You may want to reconsider that bet.

Say what you will about Ghoolie---I've been on this board for 8 years and every year his season win/loss prediction is dead on. 

A stopped clock is right twice a day. Ghoolie logic: Browns have sucked for the last 20 years, therefore, they will suck this year too. The draft hasn't even happened yet and he's predicting a win loss total? I'd like to have his crystal ball spit out the winning Powerball numbers for me.   

@boo-fagley said:

Ill take that bet for a bottle of Jose Quirvo 1800. You have about $30 to spend on your end.

You wont bet me though.

You may want to reconsider that bet.

Say what you will about Ghoolie---I've been on this board for 8 years and every year his season win/loss prediction is dead on. 

@mjp28 said:

The Bengals are beatable, L. Bell is a multimillionaire crybaby jock, how sad. Big Ben is one hit from extended time off as A. Brown my star FL player is starting to show dings!

Yeah the BROWNS could possibility win 4 games and if the ball bounces right more, they desperately needed WR help and should have a loaded draft. 

Oh and I'll pass on the Jose Cuervo but will take cash or travellers checks. 

what about bitcoin ?

@boo-fagley said:

New offensive coordinator, contract squabbles with Bell and Ive never liked the HC.

The Bengals are beatable, L. Bell is a multimillionaire crybaby jock, how sad. Big Ben is one hit from extended time off as A. Brown my star FL player is starting to show dings!

Yeah the BROWNS could possibility win 4 games and if the ball bounces right more, they desperately needed WR help and should have a loaded draft. 

Oh and I'll pass on the Jose Cuervo but will take cash or travellers checks. 

@ghoolie said:

This team will not win 4 games.

Ill take that bet for a bottle of Jose Quirvo 1800. You have about $30 to spend on your end.

You wont bet me though.

@dutch-oven said:

Not only is Roethlisberger getting near the end, but this will be Antonio Brown's 9th season. 

Their window for a title is closing. Problem is, their biggest nemesis in the AFC could be on the downswing too. 

New offensive coordinator, contract squabbles with Bell and Ive never liked the HC.

@boo-fagley said:

The football gods could shine on the Browns.

You dont wish for injuries, but if Ben goes down for 2018 the Steelers are done. Harbawl and Lewis are both on the hot seat because of poor performances.

Not only is Roethlisberger getting near the end, but this will be Antonio Brown's 9th season. 

Their window for a title is closing. Problem is, their biggest nemesis in the AFC could be on the downswing too. 

@poeticg said:

Pretty accurate assessment really. 

I believe in Hogan as a tireless worker, a leader and a genuinely good person, much like I view Saquon. I guess that's why I can get behind these guys because I trust that they will put the work in that I would put in. They will give their all to be the best they can be at what they do. 

As my boss said to me once "I don't care how hard you work I care about results"    I have no doubt Hogan is a tireless worker and good guy, unfortunately his ability to deliver results is capped well below the necessary level  

@hoorta said:

 Gumby- this may well be a deep draft- but I'm not willing to put all my draft eggs in the 2018 basket. What if some of our picks this year don't pan out? What if some of the guys on the roster  either under perform, or just flat out arent good enough. Plenty of players to choose from in that category. 

H, get use to Dorsey. He left no rocks unturned in KC & no Draft picks to better Chiefs with Alex..I want no rocks left unturned when Hue Jackson is handed talent & He either wins or walks the plank..I'd even be willing to find a trade partner on WR smurf Gary Coleman to get Christian Kirks as a additional 2nd Round pick..If we must.. a 3rd Round wide receiver has hands not made of glass