@ghoolie said:

Kosar 53 - 54 -1 Also Turrible. 

Fran Tarkenton 246 - 239  HOF

Brian Sipe 57 - 55

Bradshaw  107 - 51     14 - 5 in playoffs. Greatest QB of all time.

With most of that credit going to the Steel Curtain defense.

@ghoolie said:

Gip, please, turn your O2 tank back on.

I breathe the fresh air of reality. 

@hoorta said:

Tour- all time W-L,  90-123-1. Turrible, just turrible. Sure, he played on some bad teams, but I'd still take Archie Manning over Vinny.  

Kosar 53 - 54 -1 Also Turrible. 

Fran Tarkenton 246 - 239  HOF

Brian Sipe 57 - 55

Bradshaw  107 - 51     14 - 5 in playoffs. Greatest QB of all time.

Ghoolie made a point, and whether you want to look at it as good/bad is your call. Barkley coming from Penn State doesn't matter for his production, BUT there are schools who are known for quality positions, not all to do with the player, but the COACHING. Penn State is known as LB U, and Wisconsin turns out great OL. Then there are schools who just turn out great players, such as Alabama, Ohio State, USC, etc.

There are 4 guys who are looked at as top QB prospects, I have no clue who will be the best, but I think the safest pick is Darnold, and biggest boom or bust is Allen.

You guys have to give Ghoolie credit, he has now said 3 QBs, meaning he is either easing up a bit or covering his bases. I don't mind Ghoolie, and he wont admit it, but he has mentioned in past 3 different QB as top, Jackson, Baker, Rosen. 

But I HAVE to get after you Ghoolie for your last statement. Saying it doesn't matter how Barkley pans out as he is consensus top player so they aren't making a mistake. Last year, Garrett was even higher consensus top player and that was wrong? Whether you like Garrett or Barkley is a moot point for your argument, for THAT argument, you CANT have it both ways.

Hope everyone enjoys the draft tomorrow. God Bless

@the-gipper said:

Gip, please, turn your O2 tank back on.

@ghoolie said:

Dumb logic. THere is absolutely no statistical, emotional, moral, physical data from this schidt chart that indicates anything about how well Barkley will perform. His genetics, drive, intelligence and physical abilities are not affected in any way by what school he chose to attend.

No shite Sherlock....you are just now getting around to figuring out this is a lot of bullshite?  Congratulations...your intellect is now at 3rd grade level.

The reason the Browns blow is because of the exact mental masturbation you just performed.

No, it isn't you pompous wanker....I have nothing to do with how the Browns make their decisions.  Nor do you...nor any other fan.  To suggest otherwise is cretinous.

Browns culture is literally an example of just how stupid human beings can be. Instead of looking at the man, you wasted time in your life assembling a fukcing chart that has no meaning for the upcoming draft.

Again...no, it isn't. Jane you ignorant slut. Browns culture has nothing to do with but a few human beings on this earth...the owners and the GMs and the coaches.  I simply spent time doing something that was entertaining to me and provocative to others.  Congratulations, not only have you attained third grade intellect....you have just been named Boob of the year for falling for this. I didn't even have to add sinkers to the line to catch you.

This is why my picks and predictions are always more accurate than people like you.

No, they are not, you just lie about what predictions you have made.  Most of your predictions have been of the Paxton Lynch variety...off by miles.

Again, there are three QBs who all offer a high degree of promise. HOWEVER............. can you tell me which one is best? You can't. And neither can anyone else. The top three are even odds. You are just as likely to strike paydirt picking first, as you are taking the last one left. So, only to a dickhead would it make sense to use #1 #1 on a pick that does not give you a draft advantage.

Welll....it looks like perhaps you have graduated to a 4th grade intellect. You got at least one thing something close to right in your tantrum. These QBs ARE hard to distinguish....and one you get at 4 could very well be just as good or better as one you get at #1.

QB at #1  #1? Yeas, for idiots like you and Browns management.

The more you type....the more it is evident that you only concentrate on your own navel lint.  Did you see the thread that ME, Myself, and I started called The Prudent Solution?  Go back and read what I said before you begin regurgitating your own jizm.  I said to think about not taking a QB until the late 1st/early 2d round.

The proper draft strategy. The ONLY draft strategy for Cleveland is BARLEY #1 (Clear cut best player in the draft)......... and a QB out of the top three that is left.

FURTHERMORE........................ Taking Barkley #1 GUARANTEES we get one of the top 3 QBs. Taking a QB at #1 guarantees that at #4..........we really won't have a clear cut BEST to use the pick on.

Actually....the better strategy would be to take Chubb #1....and to leave the merengue dancer out on the dance floor.  He just won't be that good.

The reason the Cleveland Browns are 1- 31...and I have told you morons this all along, is because they PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in drafting the premium play making prospects.

Yea, sure they refuse on purpose.   You really are a Gump, aren't you.   Where did we find you....on a park bench in Savannah?

Whether or not Barkley pans out isn't even the issue. The issue is, ALL the experts pretty much see him as the best football player in this draft. Why a team would have a chance to take the best player in the draft and not take it? Only a fukcing idiotic, imbecile of a human being could understand. But then again...........THAT is Browns culture................. LOSER CLUTIRE.

Of course whether or not Barkley pans out is the issue. The failure of Richardson, or Coleman, or Quinn/Manziel/Weeden etc. etc to pan out sure as hell has been "THE ISSUE".   The failures of the offensive skill players they have chosen over the years is what has resulted in this losing culture (aside from having loser fans like you)  Barkley would just be another one of those in the long line.   I agree that the Browns should NOT fail to take the best player in this draft....only problem for you is that The Squaw ain't the best player.  

The reason the Browns blow is because of the exact mental masturbation you just performed. Browns culture is literally an example of just how stupid human beings can be. Instead of looking at the man, you wasted time in your life assembling a fukcing chart that has no meaning for the upcoming draft. This is why my picks and predictions are always more accurate than people like you.

Again, there are three QBs who all offer a high degree of promise. HOWEVER............. can you tell me which one is best? You can't. And neither can anyone else. The top three are even odds. You are just as likely to strike paydirt picking first, as you are taking the last one left. So, only to a dickhead would it make sense to use #1 #1 on a pick that does not give you a draft advantage.

QB at #1  #1? Yeas, for idiots like you and Browns management.

The proper draft strategy. The ONLY draft strategy for Cleveland is BARLEY #1 (Clear cut best player in the draft)......... and a QB out of the top three that is left.

FURTHERMORE........................ Taking Barkley #1 GUARANTEES we get one of the top 3 QBs. Taking a QB at #1 guarantees that at #4..........we really won't have a clear cut BEST to use the pick on.

The reason the Cleveland Browns are 1- 31...and I have told you morons this all along, is because they PURPOSELY REFUSE to participate in drafting the premium play making prospects.

Whether or not Barkley pans out isn't even the issue. The issue is, ALL the experts pretty much see him as the best football player in this draft. Why a team would have a chance to take the best player in the draft and not take it? Only a fukcing idiotic, imbecile of a human being could understand. But then again...........THAT is Browns culture................. LOSER CLUTIRE.

@ghoolie said:

This should be the best Draft the Browns have had since they took Jim Brown. It is also the easiest draft to proceed properly. 

1) There are three big, promising QBs available.There is no consensus as to which is best. Any, or all 3 of them may turn out to be great QBs. As lonf as the Browns get one of them, they will have satisfied the responsibility of taking a shot at a top QB prospect.

2) Barkley is the best player in the draft.

Barkley with #1. One of the top QBs left at #4.

ANy other move will be AGAIN, a draft that come back to make the Browns look stupid.

Barkley's best moves are with pom poms in his hands.    He will be nothing more than a cheerleader.  He will continue the long tradition of First round Penn State RB busts:    Kijana Carter, Curtis Enis, Blair Thomas.  

@texasag1969 said:

ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).

Well.....that is in fact their track record.    Of course, it is also hindsight.

@boo-fagley said:

Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.

Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.

Well...it WAS Couch who "lead" the team that year.   Holcomb started a couple of games due to Couch's injuries, plus the playoff game.   Torn Rotator Cuff AND torn Labrum caused Couch's demise.  

1) There are three big, promising QBs available.There is no consensus as to which is best. Any, or all 3 of them may turn out to be great QBs. As lonf as the Browns get one of them, they will have satisfied the responsibility of taking a shot at a top QB prospect.

2) Barkley is the best player in the draft.

Barkley with #1. One of the top QBs left at #4.

ANy other move will be AGAIN, a draft that come back to make the Browns look stupid.

he seems like a perfect Hue project that should be picked at 4.  1st round talent fo sho!!

marijuana schmariwanna... draft that talent!!  No red flags here!!

@texasag1969 said:

ON NFL Net yesterday one of the commentators said that the QB bust will be whichever ones the Browns take because they are so good at identifying them (or something to that effect).

One of these drafts luck will change for the better.

@the-gipper said:

Kudos to you for recognizing that Steve Young and Bernie Kosar were taken with the equivalent of the #1 overall pick of the draft.

But I think it is a bit early to judge Winston. And Vick had some very productive....and winning years.

I also give both Carr and Couch a bit of a break.  Both Carr and Couch were  the first pick of  teams that up to that point were just paper teams.  And in Couch's case he took the team to the playoffs in 3 years....even if he did not start the playoff game due to injuries.  And, of course, it was injuries that curtailed his career.

Tampa will be looking for another QB in a couple of years when Winston doesnt deliver. Vick was overrated.

Carrs draft was terrible QB wise. Perhaps the thing that should have been done is sign a vet QB. Then take Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney or Ed Reed or Lito Shepard @ # 1. Couch had 18 TDs and 18 INTs that season. I watched that playoff game vs the Steelers and Holcomb played really well. What I most remember about that game was the players convincing Davis to challenge a play that he never should have. Of course, he lost the challenge and IIRC a time out that was a factor in the game.

@tour2ma said:

We're talkin' preparation, h....

Sorry... couldn't help myself....

Agida can do bad things LOL

Sorry... couldn't help myself....

@tour2ma said:

So Bill B. brought Vinny to three different teams despite terrible preparation???

Does that sound right to you?

Tour- all time W-L,  90-123-1. Turrible, just turrible. Sure, he played on some bad teams, but I'd still take Archie Manning over Vinny.  

@the-gipper said:

I mean the part about getting laid.   Doubt that Jimmy Johnson said that.

He eluded to something on that order.. I can't remember verbatim... But Jimmy had a way of saying what he felt...

@nickers said:

I saw an interview with JJ a long time ago.. He has said it himself...

So Bill B. brought Vinny to three different teams despite terrible preparation???

Does that sound right to you?

@unsympathetic said:

Does the 105 mean they find him to be the 105th best prospect available in this draft?  I have heard reports to that effect before....but the allure of his big arm will give him a much higher draft slotting.   Maybe this just goes to show the reaching that is happening these days for QBs.

@hoorta said:

Plus career 56% completions. As they said in Tampa, Vinny is just good enough to get you beat...  

Ahhh...and who among the current crew of QB prospects comes to mind?