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@cambridgeho said:

 We are 1 and 31. We have been in games and made boneheaded plays. With freeagency additions and our draft, there is no where but up man.

You fail to consider this - it's Cleveland.  

@dutch-oven said:

Competed? 

The Browns not only have gone 1-31 the last two seasons, but they've been the worst team vs the spread in the NFL too. That means as bad as everyone thinks they are (and the guys in Vegas who set the lines) the Browns have actually been worse. 

But honestly, I'm not even mad at you, I've been around Browns message boards long enough to know better. The weekend of the draft objectivity is completely discarded, replaced by rampant sunshine pumping by Browns fans. I shouldn't fight it, just let it slowly dissipate.  

 We are 1 and 31. We have been in games and made boneheaded plays. With freeagency additions and our draft, there is no where but up man.

@tour2ma said:

DraftScout graded him as a 6-7 cusp...

This is up there with Kessler for length of reach... So maybe it was Hue's pick???

One of the commentators said the pick had Highsmith and Wolfe written all over it from their ties to the Miami Hurricanes program. 

@cambridgeho said:

Last year we were the youngest team and competed.

Competed? 

The Browns not only have gone 1-31 the last two seasons, but they've been the worst team vs the spread in the NFL too. That means as bad as everyone thinks they are (and the guys in Vegas who set the lines) the Browns have actually been worse. 

But honestly, I'm not even mad at you, I've been around Browns message boards long enough to know better. The weekend of the draft objectivity is completely discarded, replaced by rampant sunshine pumping by Browns fans. I shouldn't fight it, just let it slowly dissipate.  

@dutch-oven said:

Yeah, being a team that is competent in drafting is definitely overrated. 

Yours words. The main goal is to win a superbowl. Look at the last 10 superbowl winners and tell me fit of scheme doesnt outweigh need. Alot of these teams dont need to hit on every pick, because these teams win and good players want to go there in FA. The browns have been in a vucious cycle of over paid freeagents and not properly developing what we have because of coach and gm turnover. Last year we were the youngest team and competed. This year we have some great talent and hopefully a system.

You see the flashes of greatness that show why he was a 5* recruit.    The physical gifts to play all over the formation are there but he needs a great deal of work.   I feel this is a pick that could have been had later if not maybe even today.  

@dutch-oven said:

Yeah, being a team that is competent in drafting is definitely overrated. 

The BROWNS horrific drafting over the past few years has a LOT to do with the 1-31 recond. Tons of swings and misses!

.......edit add, and in general since 1999.

@cambridgeho said:

The same as it has as a Cavs and Indians fan as well. Not gonna lose sleep over if a guy was drafted in the 2nd round, but had a 4th round grade, but could possibly be a good 3rd rounder. 

Yeah, being a team that is competent in drafting is definitely overrated. 

@dutch-oven said:

How has that worked out for you as a Browns fan since 1999?

The same as it has as a Cavs and Indians fan as well. Not gonna lose sleep over if a guy was drafted in the 2nd round, but had a 4th round grade, but could possibly be a good 3rd rounder. 

@cambridgeho said:

He has great ability and has been rated didferently on different sites. His potential will depend on development, like with most prospects. Regarding who goes where in the draft is a crap shoot, never understood when fans go up in arms for picks. If you look at other teams drafting, there were some head scratchers as well. I leave it to the scouts and just root for who we get, not be mad because we didnt get someone i thought would have been good. When the pick is made, its made. We will see how they pan out. 

How has that worked out for you as a Browns fan since 1999?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000929730/article/2018-nfl-draft-quicksnap-grades-for-every-team-through-day-2

@cambridgeho said:

He has great ability and has been rated didferently on different sites. His potential will depend on development, like with most prospects. Regarding who goes where in the draft is a crap shoot, never understood when fans go up in arms for picks. If you look at other teams drafting, there were some head scratchers as well. I leave it to the scouts and just root for who we get, not be mad because we didnt get someone i thought would have been good. When the pick is made, its made. We will see how they pan out. 

Very well said. Thanks for being a "voice of reason".

Mike

@browns149 said:

Then why take this guy so high? Someone you’re describing should be a 5th rounder or later

He has great ability and has been rated didferently on different sites. His potential will depend on development, like with most prospects. Regarding who goes where in the draft is a crap shoot, never understood when fans go up in arms for picks. If you look at other teams drafting, there were some head scratchers as well. I leave it to the scouts and just root for who we get, not be mad because we didnt get someone i thought would have been good. When the pick is made, its made. We will see how they pan out. 

@tour2ma said:

The more I reflect on this pick, the more I think he may be our Mo Hurst...

Watching the Wisky game would indicate he's the 3 DE that slides around the front and interior.

@tour2ma said:

The more I reflect on this pick, the more I think he may be our Mo Hurst...

What I am watching of him, you may be on the money. 

@cambridgeho said:

Any DE  would be rotational for us. We are set at right and left. This guys looks like he has some potential, just needs to be coached up. 

Then why take this guy so high? Someone you’re describing should be a 5th rounder or later

@tour2ma said:

"Football guy" seeing what no one else sees...

As a ???? OT? OG? OC?

Not sure I’ll have to ask. Some guy I discovered at NDT Scouting named Brandon Thorn had an excellent OL breakdown this year. He had Corbett as a G/C. Thinks he’ll play center. First round grade.