@tacosman said:

 he's a second year player who was a first round draft pick the year before....you aren't going to waive or trash another player in that situation, no matter how clear

it was his first year he wasn't a playmaker and doesnt have an nfl level skill set as a db.  

the negative reports/questions on peppers coming out of college have all proven to be true so far.  

Who would have thought that it's hard to be a playmaker when you're lined up in a position no where near the play?

I guess we'll just have to follow up at the end of this season to see how wrong you were

@mld-woody said:

Well there's a reason why Gregg listened to me and not you. 

 he's a second year player who was a first round draft pick the year before....you aren't going to waive or trash another player in that situation, no matter how clear

it was his first year he wasn't a playmaker and doesnt have an nfl level skill set as a db.  

the negative reports/questions on peppers coming out of college have all proven to be true so far.  

@tacosman said:

I dont care what safety position you play in the nfl, being an nfl db in 2018 is about making plays in the passing game.  period. 

there is absolutely no indication Peppers can do that at an nfl level.

the guy has a linebacker skill set and is obviously far too small to play linebacker in the nfl.  He was a ridiculous pick in the late first round and is not an nfl talent.  

Well there's a reason why Gregg listened to me and not you. 

there is absolutely no indication Peppers can do that at an nfl level.

the guy has a linebacker skill set and is obviously far too small to play linebacker in the nfl.  He was a ridiculous pick in the late first round and is not an nfl talent.  

Zombo said:

"Backup free safety" ... OK, but we exercised a 9 mil option for Randall for next year, so I think they expect him to be the guy, they'll probably work on a new deal for the 25 year old former first round pick who is back at his natural position. I like Justin Currie, can see him sticking with the Special Teams Squad Task Force: Carder, Avery, Currie ... We've also got Deron Smith and three udfa bodies ... I'm sure someone will be good enough to backup and play special teams if we keep four safeties. Lots of duel threats at CB too ... Wilson? Where's he fit?

Zombo

Let's be honest here as I'll be the burden of bad news carrier . D.Randall came out of college with the FS name tag..But from 2015-17 GB paid Randall as a #1/#2 CB flipping from left to right..Meaning his 5th year option we just paid is at CB rate not at FS rate..Roughly 5M more to play FS with Browns still carrying higher CB rate(it's on a rookie deal so I get it..Till we battle to re-sign him )..Kizer even threw for 3 TDs against GB/but not at Randall only defending 1 pass. Wilson sits 8th on our CB depth chart for now.I like that we now have options, that we can go big at corner in a big nickle scheme with Carrie(6ft),M.Jordan(6'1"),Wilson(6'1") & rookie S.Thomas(6'4"). When we cut from 90 to 75? we clean out the ST failures too..From roster cut 75 to 53 G.Avery & Janis should join Tank on ST's? The rest come fighting for roster paycheck verse PS paycheck.Those get fun watching preseason game 3 & 4..Should be fun to watch..     

@dutch-oven said:

The reason the Browns have one win in their last 36 games! 

Wow... If it wasn't for Meder the Browns could be on a 36 game losing streak. Think about that. Yikes. 

His punt blocking prowess! Haha

He’s like the elder statesman on the team by now, having been with the team since 2014. Him and Maybe Kirksey? Tank Carder? 

@texasag1969 said:

And Meder.

The reason the Browns have one win in their last 36 games! 

Wow... If it wasn't for Meder the Browns could be on a 36 game losing streak. Think about that. Yikes. 

Zombo said:

Wilson? Where's he fit?

Zombo

A fully recovered Wilson has the potential of being the other lock down corner starting opposite Ward. Just once let it be so.

@texasag1969 said:

The important thing was that Williams, Peppers and Dorsey all knew it and addressed it. I'm very happy about what we have done so far to change up defensive personnel and look forward to see what further improvements they spot this season for the draft next season. I especially want to see if a healthy Ogbah combined with the DB changes doubles or even triples our sacks per game rate. I want to see QBs that don't have a Browns uniform on running and ducking and throwing off balance all game long.🥷   

A healthy Garrett and Collins too.

@texasag1969 said:

The important thing was that Williams, Peppers and Dorsey all knew it and addressed it. I'm very happy about what we have done so far to change up defensive personnel and look forward to see what further improvements they spot this season for the draft next season. I especially want to see if a healthy Ogbah combined with the DB changes doubles or even triples our sacks per game rate. I want to see QBs that don't have a Browns uniform on running and ducking and throwing off balance all game long.🥷   

The smartest move of all was to keep Williams.

@gumby73 said:

It's the greatest draft mystery in modern time history.Why prospect guru's can't seperate who is a Free Safety & who is a Strong Safety is above my pay scale. Most may have posted S meaning FS I assumed? Yes we picked up D.Randall to play FS putting Peppers/Kindred in the right spot at SS. But look behind Randall on the depth chart & one funky twist were back to square meeting round hole again..For every pick starting in the 3rd round a FS prospect came off the board right after..#67-Chad Thomas/Justin Reid went next pick.That one bothered me. #105-Callaway/109 Troy Apke..#150 G. Avery did not hit me as bad after Marcus Allen went #148..but man, he went to Chitzburg..Justin Curry backs up Randall at FS..He's never recovered from a injury as a NYG in 2015.heck we even paid Curry a injury settlement. anywho, Curry is followed by 2 UTFA's..but it is only May

"Backup free safety" ... OK, but we exercised a 9 mil option for Randall for next year, so I think they expect him to be the guy, they'll probably work on a new deal for the 25 year old former first round pick who is back at his natural position. I like Justin Currie, can see him sticking with the Special Teams Squad Task Force: Carder, Avery, Currie ... We've also got Deron Smith and three udfa bodies ... I'm sure someone will be good enough to backup and play special teams if we keep four safeties. Lots of duel threats at CB too ... Wilson? Where's he fit?

Zombo

@boo-fagley said:

I meant those folks knowing Peppers skill set. Looks like they were right and Peppers is solely an in the box DB.

The important thing was that Williams, Peppers and Dorsey all knew it and addressed it. I'm very happy about what we have done so far to change up defensive personnel and look forward to see what further improvements they spot this season for the draft next season. I especially want to see if a healthy Ogbah combined with the DB changes doubles or even triples our sacks per game rate. I want to see QBs that don't have a Browns uniform on running and ducking and throwing off balance all game long.🥷   

@dutch-oven said:

It's not hard to spot a player who looks like he's back to receive a punt, especially on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd downs... 

Glad to see him being moved to strong safety... I still think worry he's a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy (which is why I questioned using a 1st rounder on him), but at least he's being put in the position to play to his strengths. 

I meant those folks knowing Peppers skill set. Looks like they were right and Peppers is solely an in the box DB.

@boo-fagley said:

Props to the folks here that were commenting all last year how Peppers was playing too far off the LOS.

It's not hard to spot a player who looks like he's back to receive a punt, especially on 1st, 2nd, or 3rd downs... 

Glad to see him being moved to strong safety... I still think worry he's a "jack of all trades, master of none" type of guy (which is why I questioned using a 1st rounder on him), but at least he's being put in the position to play to his strengths. 

@dr.footwear said:

That was a great draft strategy by Willams. It really paid off in the win higher picks column. 

FIFY

Zombo said:

Did not understand why people were listing Safety as a draft need. Addressed it in the first round last year and picked up a first round talent this year. Randall-Peppers should be the best combo we have had in long time. Excited to see Peppers unleashed this year. Williams knows what he is doing ... His defenses have made it to the SB twice.

Zombo

It's the greatest draft mystery in modern time history.Why prospect guru's can't seperate who is a Free Safety & who is a Strong Safety is above my pay scale. Most may have posted S meaning FS I assumed? Yes we picked up D.Randall to play FS putting Peppers/Kindred in the right spot at SS. But look behind Randall on the depth chart & one funky twist were back to square meeting round hole again..For every pick starting in the 3rd round a FS prospect came off the board right after..#67-Chad Thomas/Justin Reid went next pick.That one bothered me. #105-Callaway/109 Troy Apke..#150 G. Avery did not hit me as bad after Marcus Allen went #148..but man, he went to Chitzburg..Justin Curry backs up Randall at FS..He's never recovered from a injury as a NYG in 2015.heck we even paid Curry a injury settlement. anywho, Curry is followed by 2 UTFA's..but it is only May

@mld-woody said:

Strongsville*

Yeah, stupid me, I had the wrong place for where Cohwer didn't buy a house. LMAO.

@texasag1969 said:

As soon as we picked up Randall I knew we had solved the safety problem and had to concentrate on the CB problem. FA and draft have solved that in a reasonable way. The two quick DL we added allows us to do rotation in depth all along the line and frees Orchard to get back from the line in a LB spot where he belongs. I like all the things we have done to improve this team top to bottom both sides of the ball. 

It will take time to build a smoothly functioning unit, but key barring injuries like last year I see this team getting better every game this season. 

This is going to be a fun season to watch unwind. Should be a lot of room to analyze the intricacies of what each side of the ball is doing every week. Should make for a lot of interesting discussions all season long.

So... Draft talk will start in October like last year, or will we be able to push it till November?

Zombo said:

Did not understand why people were listing Safety as a draft need. Addressed it in the first round last year and picked up a first round talent this year. Randall-Peppers should be the best combo we have had in long time. Excited to see Peppers unleashed this year. Williams knows what he is doing ... His defenses have made it to the SB twice.

Zombo

I think because of the fact that we do not have our minds wrapped around the concept of Randall back there because he was obtained in a trade.  We get so focused on draft picks that we somewhat ignore, or have not much info on the FA players we get unless they are a big name or at a more visible position.   But, you are right.  Randall may be one of THE most important acquisitions of the Browns in the offseason...FA or draftee.   We just have to have more exposure to his talents and capabilities to realize it.

It will take time to build a smoothly functioning unit, but key barring injuries like last year I see this team getting better every game this season. 

This is going to be a fun season to watch unwind. Should be a lot of room to analyze the intricacies of what each side of the ball is doing every week. Should make for a lot of interesting discussions all season long.

Zombo