@calfoxwc said:

it's smarter to be humble, "open-minded" often seems to lend itself to "unprincipled" and "oops my brains fell out and now I feel stupid"..

understand enough to see any of yourself in that?

  “A wise man apportions his belief to the evidence.” Keep your brains tucked safely inside your skulls. Be open but not gullible. And remember, it is better to think than to believe."

                                                                                                             T.H. Huxley

"Unprincipled"  being used to mean:   does not conform to my personal dogma. 

And Huxley makes sense...ergo, why are you quoting it?  It sounds contrary to what you espouse.  

And...is TH Huxley related to Aldous Huxley?   He of science fiction writing fame?

Perhaps you should take note of the words of another science fiction writer:

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

Isaac Asimov

understand enough to see any of yourself in that?

  “A wise man apportions his belief to the evidence.” Keep your brains tucked safely inside your skulls. Be open but not gullible. And remember, it is better to think than to believe."

                                                                                                             T.H. Huxley

@calfoxwc said:

  You're rightsies, Glipsies. It IS understandable - your behavior warrants the term "arrogance", and you seem to be a little bit intelligent outside of that. You have no idea what seems and not seems to other people.

See, THAT is your arrogance problem, methinks.. Napoleon much?

Smart people always seem arrogant to dumb people.  Case in point.

Open minded people always seem arrogant to closed minded people.  

Understanding people always seem arrogant to hateful people.

So..if being smart, open minded and understanding seems to you to be arrogant, wonderful.  I will wear it as a badge of honor.  Keep it coming.

@the-gipper said:

Arrogant?   I think you conflate intelligence with arrogance. Understandable. (To you, spewing a doctrine of hate probably does not seem ignorant and stupid. It is the epitome of those terms)

  You're rightsies, Glipsies. It IS understandable - your behavior warrants the term "arrogance", and you seem to be a little bit intelligent outside of that. You have no idea what seems and not seems to other people.

See, THAT is your arrogance problem, methinks.. Napoleon much?

@calfoxwc said:

you dish the ignorant stupid bullshite out all the time, you like to think you are "busting chops"....you just think you shouldn't get it in return because you are so arrogant.

Arrogant?   I think you conflate intelligence with arrogance. Understandable. (To you, spewing a doctrine of hate probably does not seem ignorant and stupid. It is the epitome of those terms)

Memorial Day ,though, isn't the right day to do that, I think.

Fair enough.

   A friend of mine was in Special Forces - his best friend on the team, on a successful mission, was killed - he carried his friend back out and back to the pickup point, to the helo that picked them up.

That is what Memorial Day is about.... sadly, it's honoring all the Soldiers who lost their lives in military service to our country over all our years.

Very Good.

@the-gipper said:

I didn't realize when I asked for A tribute to people who have served this country, that I would be inviting a pile of ignorant stupid bullshite

you dish the ignorant stupid bullshite out all the time, you like to think you are "busting chops"....you just think you shouldn't get it in return because you are so arrogant.

Memorial Day ,though, isn't the right day to do that, I think.

   A friend of mine was in Special Forces - his best friend on the team, on a successful mission, was killed - he carried his friend back out and back to the pickup point, to the helo that picked them up.

That is what Memorial Day is about.... sadly, it's honoring all the Soldiers who lost their lives in military service to our country over all our years.

@dutch-oven said:

He's a Steelers fan and a Trumpflake.

It's a perfect storm of stupidity. 

I feel like I'm in one of those Snickers commercials because I'm still waiting for evidence he knows the difference between the 1700s and 2018.  It's gonna be a while...

@flugel said:

Not surprised at all.

When we're in a thread about Memorial Day and WunDumPhuck has to dis-respect the story you shared - it's not politics blinding him. It's the cubed root of ignorance. 

For a guy that's so terrified about liberals threatening all of his rights, he's not giving himself enough credit for giving people reasons to feel freedom of speech can be very overrated. 

He's a Steelers fan and a Trumpflake.

It's a perfect storm of stupidity. 

Zombo said:

Some people are so blinded by politics, and I'm talking about both sides, that they will stop at nothing to be heard, whether it is degenerating a Memorial Day Tribute or just ruining everything for everybody all the time. If you are always about politics on social media, I stop following you.

Here, we keep the football side apolitical. Stan's Republican, I'm Democrat, I don't even know the politics of the other moderators, nobody cares, nobody notices, we kept it to football and toss the political stuff to Steve on the political board. Steve's a good friend, he leans to the right, I lean to the left, we don't care, we both appreciate freedom of ideas ... We just try to keep the non-football ideas to one of the other boards we have set up so we can keep this smooth here on the football side.

We, of course, give a certain leeway on threads like your Survey and various other offseason discussions ... some times it is just good for us to talk about "stuff" ... like we are all at a tailgate or a backyard BBQ. Even an occasional remark about the political climate ... I think I make one about every five to ten years. But there is always that one guy who takes things too far, that his opinions are more important than yours, he has decided that he knows more than you and he's not about to shut up about it ... Is anybody surprised he's a Steeler fan?

Zombo

Not surprised at all.

When we're in a thread about Memorial Day and WunDumPhuck has to dis-respect the story you shared - it's not politics blinding him. It's the cubed root of ignorance. 

For a guy that's so terrified about liberals threatening all of his rights, he's not giving himself enough credit for giving people reasons to feel freedom of speech can be very overrated. 

@the-gipper said:

I didn't realize when I asked for A tribute to people who have served this country, that I would be inviting a pile of ignorant stupid bullshite

Some people are so blinded by politics, and I'm talking about both sides, that they will stop at nothing to be heard, whether it is degenerating a Memorial Day Tribute or just ruining everything for everybody all the time. If you are always about politics on social media, I stop following you.

Here, we keep the football side apolitical. Stan's Republican, I'm Democrat, I don't even know the politics of the other moderators, nobody cares, nobody notices, we kept it to football and toss the political stuff to Steve on the political board. Steve's a good friend, he leans to the right, I lean to the left, we don't care, we both appreciate freedom of ideas ... We just try to keep the non-football ideas to one of the other boards we have set up so we can keep this smooth here on the football side.

We, of course, give a certain leeway on threads like your Survey and various other offseason discussions ... some times it is just good for us to talk about "stuff" ... like we are all at a tailgate or a backyard BBQ. Even an occasional remark about the political climate ... I think I make one about every five to ten years. But there is always that one guy who takes things too far, that his opinions are more important than yours, he has decided that he knows more than you and he's not about to shut up about it ... Is anybody surprised he's a Steeler fan?

Zombo

@stinkhole said:

Way to insult your father and grandfather you simpleton.

Todays liberal democRAT  is not your father's or grandfathers liberal Democrat.

Your grandfather wouldn't have been an advocate for tranny men having the right to use the little girls room,  nor would he approve of the damaging "everyone gets a trophy" self esteem movement.

Nor would have he called Bruce Jenner "courageous". He would have abhorred the policies of Barak Obama and would have  and loved Trump.

He most likely would  disapprove of multimillionaire football players refusing to stand for the anthem.

Your grandfather didn't come home spat upon by liberals, as did the Vietnam era vets,  and wouldn't have approved of open borders, sanctuary cities, and been an Islamic terrorist sympathizer....lest we forget super libtard Rosie O'Donnell  "terrorists are mothers and fathers too"..

Yes, the liberal extremists do hate America. These bastards indoctrinated by liberal academia are taught that America is not exceptional, that she is the reason third world countries exist, and that our sovereignty is illegitimate by its very founding.

Your father and grandfather fought for right of a-hole liberals to exist. Thank them for that.

Your father would be telling you to grow up son.

I didn't realize when I asked for A tribute to people who have served this country, that I would be inviting a pile of ignorant stupid bullshite

@the-gipper said:

Here is this week's Survey.   Give your opinions or answers:

1.  How big of a puss do you think  Hue Jackson will come out looking at his "Jump in the Lake" event?

Not nearly as big of a pussy as the Head Coach in Pittsburgh was for trying to alienate and guilt the ONLY veteran of war on his roster that put his life on the line to defend our freedoms by honoring the flag and the National Anthem.  He threw that kid right under a freight train in the media after the entire team stood in the tunnel thinking of alibis to dress that shitt up while watching him show the only class that was possible. I don't care what color my skin is - IF I SUCKED that bad at my job while making millions of $ in a leadership capacity - I know I'd feel a lot more thankful to the US Military for making my opportunity possible. You'd think a beneficiary of the Rooney-Rule where it was created would be a better spokesman/role model for those of the same race thinking they have awful opportunities with 6-8 figure salaries. Of course an allegedly defensive minded Tomlin would fire the OC after losing a playoff game 45-42. There's my biggest HC brat and pussy - Mike Tomlin.   

2. I hear rumors that Rob Gronkowski could get traded to the Chargers.   What do you think about that?

I think this a perfect place to thank all our troops past and present for putting their lives on the line for us.  People have died for us and/or watched someone else die doing this while others that served our country have been willing to do that.  I appreciate all of you in here that have served our country. 

3. A.  NHL Finals between Washington Capitols and Las Vegas Golden Knights.    Who wins?

Washington.

B. Who ultimately wins the NBA Finals

I hope Cleveland does so I'd rather jinx Golden State by saying they will win. 

4. The World Cup begins in a couple of weeks.   Would you rather watch that or have to smell a cabbage fart?

?  Whatever lingers less my man...

2. I hear rumors that Rob Gronkowski could get traded to the Chargers.   What do you think about that?

3. A.  NHL Finals between Washington Capitols and Las Vegas Golden Knights.    Who wins?

B. Who ultimately wins the NBA Finals

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Just an observation guys, this is an open sports forum which people do give their opinions on sports stories  (and other topics) primarily about the CLEVELAND BROWNS but it would be one boring azz place if it was limited to ONLY BROWNS chat!

And yes Gronkowski is one of the best NFL tight ends of all time, the Cavaliers are in the playoffs and  LAS VEGAS is in the Stanley Cup finals.  

Oh Sunday 5/27/2018 am odds, vegasinsider.com  ......

@stinkhole said:

Way to insult your father and grandfather you simpleton.

Todays liberal democRAT  is not your father's or grandfathers liberal Democrat.

Your grandfather wouldn't have been an advocate for tranny men having the right to use the little girls room,  nor would he approve of the damaging "everyone gets a trophy" self esteem movement.

Nor would have he called Bruce Jenner "courageous". He would have abhorred the policies of Barak Obama and would have  and loved Trump.

He most likely would  disapprove of multimillionaire football players refusing to stand for the anthem.

Your grandfather didn't come home spat upon by liberals, as did the Vietnam era vets,  and wouldn't have approved of open borders, sanctuary cities, and been an Islamic terrorist sympathizer....lest we forget super libtard Rosie O'Donnell  "terrorists are mothers and fathers too"..

Yes, the liberal extremists do hate America. These bastards indoctrinated by liberal academia are taught that America is not exceptional, that she is the reason third world countries exist, and that our sovereignty is illegitimate by its very founding.

Your father and grandfather fought for right of a-hole liberals to exist. Thank them for that.

Your father would be telling you to grow up son.

This is the most insulting post I have ever read in my life.

What do you know about my family? My father lived long enough to vote for John Kerry and he was abhorred at how how his service record was denigrated. While he never voted for him, my Dad respected John McCain and would be disgusted at how he, and his service, is dismissed by current republicans. He thought Trump was a "jackass" and I'm sure he is rolling in his grave at what is going on now, I'm sure he took a few extra spins when DT lashed out at the Muslim parents of a deceased US Soldier.

My Mother shared the same ideologies as my Father and she is still alive and spitting fire at the current administration. She voted for Obama, she voted for Hillary, and I can tell you with 100% conviction, my Vet Father would have too.

No, my Grandafathers weren't spit on, but they did instill their families with christian values: helping those in need, treating everyone with respect, opening your arms to refugees ... whether or not they speak the same language or practice the same religion or have the same skin color as you. They fought for freedom of speech, freedom of the press and fought to give us all an education and an opportunity for the American dream, and to make our own way in the world with our own ideals.

How dare you tell me how my family felt, or would feel? My Uncle Eb passed away last year at 91, he fought on the front lines in Germany and he would bitchslap you  from his wheelchair for talking about my family like that.

It doesn't bother me that others see the world, and our Country, different. Republicans, Democats, Independents, Seniors, Millennials, we are all Americans, and we all want what we think is best for ourselves, our families and our Country. I can't imagine insulting someone's memory of their family because they didn't vote the way I voted.

You can disagree with my politics all you want, I rarely, if ever, bring it up on a football board. But if you go after my family ... we have a problem.

I used to mess with you because you're a Steeler fan ... just a game. Game over, son, it's personal now.

Zombo

--Uncle Eb watched his buddy die in his arms in WWII, he raised a family, ran a successful business and he voted Democrat until the day he died in 2017. Did he need to grow up?

Zombo said:

Here is this week's Survey.   Give your opinions or answers:

1.  How big of a puss do you think  Hue Jackson will come out looking at his "Jump in the Lake" event?

Not at all. It was an expression. No one sane is jumping in the lake in January. He'd die.

2. I hear rumors that Rob Gronkowski could get traded to the Chargers.   What do you think about that?

I think the Chargers want to push through while they have Rivers and the clock is ticking. NE feels like Drama Central right now.

3. A.  NHL Finals between Washington Capitols and Las Vegas Golden Knights.    Who wins?

Caps

B. Who ultimately wins the NBA Finals

Cavs

4. The World Cup begins in a couple of weeks.   Would you rather watch that or have to smell a cabbage fart?

I don't ever want to smell that. I'd watch the ladies first.

5.  This is Memorial Day weekend here in the USA.   Have you ever had a relative or friend  killed or injured in war?    Feel free to make whatever tribute you choose.

My Uncle died in Normady on D-Day.

My Dad, all of my uncles and both of my grandfathers served.

But they were all liberal democrats, so they didn't really love their country.

What a crazy world we live in.

Way to insult your father and grandfather you simpleton.

Todays liberal democRAT  is not your father's or grandfathers liberal Democrat.

Your grandfather wouldn't have been an advocate for tranny men having the right to use the little girls room,  nor would he approve of the damaging "everyone gets a trophy" self esteem movement.

Nor would have he called Bruce Jenner "courageous". He would have abhorred the policies of Barak Obama and would have  and loved Trump.

He most likely would  disapprove of multimillionaire football players refusing to stand for the anthem.

Your grandfather didn't come home spat upon by liberals, as did the Vietnam era vets,  and wouldn't have approved of open borders, sanctuary cities, and been an Islamic terrorist sympathizer....lest we forget super libtard Rosie O'Donnell  "terrorists are mothers and fathers too"..

Yes, the liberal extremists do hate America. These bastards indoctrinated by liberal academia are taught that America is not exceptional, that she is the reason third world countries exist, and that our sovereignty is illegitimate by its very founding.

Your father and grandfather fought for right of a-hole liberals to exist. Thank them for that.

Your father would be telling you to grow up son.