@comeonman said:

Mayfield. Not because I think he’s a future HOFer, but because I think Mahomes will have an extremely subpar career. 

Zombo said:

Mahomo is Desone Kizer on a good team with a year to prepare ... we'll see.

@tiamat63 said:

This is like asking do you want to be shot in the head or in the chest?

In the end, who Shmucking cares?   I don't believe either will be successful.  

@pat-mahomo said:

Mahomes is going to be very good.  You'll wish you'd taken him when you had the chance(s).  ....that said, I happen to think Baker Mayfield was the correct choice for you in the draft this past year and that he will be a key to getting the Browns back to being a good NFL team again in the next few years.  Keep Dorsey away from your cap...he isn't good at math...but he's a good scout type GM...things should start to get better soon.

Just had to bring them forward for some New Year laughs. Pat Mahomo was about 2/3s right.?

@pat-mahomo said:

....so where are you all at on this debate now?

I'm just curious... How bad is your life that you require such validation? Mahomes is the better QB.    Your team might not make it past their first game. 

Call it a wash.

@dutch-oven said:

Baker is not THE reason the Browns are 2-4.

Baker is definitely one of the reasons the Browns are 2-4.

FIFY.  It's the same crap every year. Took a spin over to Cleveland.com- As usual, after a loss- fire Freddie, Mayfield sucks, the defense blows, season over. 

Maybe some guys need to take the Ghoolie approach and view it as a little more as entertainment. 

@hoorta said:

Actually I have, not on their level. OK, tough catch? I'll grant you that. Pretty damn amazing that at least three of Bakers interceptions have come off of balls that hit the receivers in the hands though..... And all at the worst possible times. Three interceptions, a fumble, and a blocked punt = another loss... Those who want to put all the blame on Baker are totally off base. 

Baker is not THE reason the Browns are 2-4.

Baker is definitely a reason the Browns are 2-4.

@dutch-oven said:

You ever play football hoorta?

You ever run a slant? Ever try to catch a football while you are running your hardest in one direction but reaching BEHIND you to catch a ball probably going 70mph? 

Butterfingers? I'm thinking you Baker apologists all have butterfingers. Those butterfingers are making you guys hit "send" on some foolish posts defending his every move. 

Actually I have, not on their level. OK, tough catch? I'll grant you that. Pretty damn amazing that at least three of Bakers interceptions have come off of balls that hit the receivers in the hands though..... And all at the worst possible times. Three interceptions, a fumble, and a blocked punt = another loss... Those who want to put all the blame on Baker are totally off base. 

@hoorta said:

It hit him in the hands- you catch that- period. 

You ever play football hoorta?

You ever run a slant? Ever try to catch a football while you are running your hardest in one direction but reaching BEHIND you to catch a ball probably going 70mph? 

Butterfingers? I'm thinking you Baker apologists all have butterfingers. Those butterfingers are making you guys hit "send" on some foolish posts defending his every move. 

@baconhound said:

If the ball was in front of him, as it should be, he goes for 15.  Yes it was a catchable ball but it was behind him, you did watch it correct?

It hit him in the hands- you catch that- period. 

EDIT: Someone is suffering from post loss depression, and let's blame Baker, Freddie, and everyone else. Play a clean game and we're going tobwin that game... 

@hoorta said:

We had the ball with two minutes left, a couple time outs, Baker throws a pass that butter fingers has hit him in the hands, and it turns into  a gimme interception- game over. Get out of here with the weak shit that's somehow Baker's fault that his receivers are doing Braylon Edwards imitations. 

If the ball was in front of him, as it should be, he goes for 15.  Yes it was a catchable ball but it was behind him, you did watch it correct?

@baconhound said:

Mayfield should be the reason we won this game.  The Browns took him with the first pick to overcome adversity not wallow in it.  It's a reaction to poor play, his and the teams.  I expect a franchise QB to fit it into windows, make multiple reads and lead his team but there is always week 7 in Foxboro....

We had the ball with two minutes left, a couple time outs, Baker throws a pass that butter fingers has hit him in the hands, and it turns into  a gimme interception- game over. Get out of here with the weak shit that's somehow Baker's fault that his receivers are doing Braylon Edwards imitations. 

@hoorta said:

Please- don't over react. Mayfield is NOT the reason the Browns lost today. You're not going to beat a team like Seattle with a -3 turnover ratio. & tow of those interceptions were on catchable balls. Maybe you're expecting every pass to be perfect? 

Mayfield should be the reason we won this game.  The Browns took him with the first pick to overcome adversity not wallow in it.  It's a reaction to poor play, his and the teams.  I expect a franchise QB to fit it into windows, make multiple reads and lead his team but there is always week 7 in Foxboro....

@baconhound said:

Baker or Mahomes LOL

Baker or Brian Hoyer?

Please- don't over react. Mayfield is NOT the reason the Browns lost today. You're not going to beat a team like Seattle with a -3 turnover ratio. & tow of those interceptions were on catchable balls. Maybe you're expecting every pass to be perfect? 

Baker or Brian Hoyer?

@tour2ma said:

But it's the same Baker we saw last year... defiant. It just plays differently in the light of a 1-2 record.

I did love his reply to Sexy Rexy's comments...

He was right. If you don’t wear brown and orange you don’t matter. And there was a reason that Ryan is not Wearing anyone’s colors. It’s because no one wants him coaching their team.

@baconhound said:

Didn't like Baker's presser today.  He just doesn't take criticism well.

But it's the same Baker we saw last year... defiant. It just plays differently in the light of a 1-2 record.

I did love his reply to Sexy Rexy's comments...

@baconhound said:

Didn't like Baker's presser today.  He just doesn't take criticism well.

Guys who troll 18 year old kids on Twitter generally do not. 

@tour2ma said:

Was the decision to let Morse leave in FA simply a cap decision?

Mostly.  Health issues also.  I think they might have paid him if he had proven to be durable but he always spent long stretches injured...so combine that with a high cap number and they let him walk.  Good player when on the field.

@pat-mahomo said:

I AGREE completely about the O line.

Was the decision to let Morse leave in FA simply a cap decision?

Unless Mahommes is willing to take a team friendly deal, it's very hard to see KC having the cap to build up every area they need to...

I know he has two more seasons on his rookie deal, plus tag years, but at the rate he is going he'll command $30mm+ on the open market.

@tiamat63 said:

Oline across the board save for Schwartz. Secondary is suspect and the dline depth as well.    But the linebackers are better than I expected - just by watching that Ravens game was enough to see the improvement over last year.

I AGREE completely about the O line.  Schwartz is good.  Fisher is adequate (took forever to just become adequate, but he's now adequate) the interior O line is junk.  Mahomes makes that bunch look better than they are.  I cringe whenever people or national media say "KC has a great O line!"  NO WE DON'T.  I think the secondary isn't all that great, but it's probably a little better than people think and they seem to be improving week to week in the new system.  The LBs are still not that good.  I would say that Hitchens in particular is a huge disappointment.  he's paid to be a stud and he is NOT one at all.  We got Darren Lee from the Jets for 6th....and he's been as advertised...good in coverage..not good VS the run.  At least he does something he's supposed to do.  Damien Wilson has been decent.  Hitchens being the bust he is, is holding the D as a whole back.  

Having said that....this years D is BETTER than last years.  KC doesn't need a great D...just an average one....I think we've attained "average".  It's not unreasonable at this point to expect 14-2, to 16-0.

@pat-mahomo said:

You're right the 99 Rams in fact were not shut out in either half of their 11-6 NFC title game win.

What issues do you suppose KC needs to address?  No Hill.  Down to our 4th string RB already.  Starting LT is out.  Still lighting up the scoreboard.  Mahomes on Pace for 6000/60.  

Oline across the board save for Schwartz. Secondary is suspect and the dline depth as well.    But the linebackers are better than I expected - just by watching that Ravens game was enough to see the improvement over last year.

@tiamat63 said:

Odd, I don't recall the 99 Rams being shut out for a full half in the NFC title game.

Mahomes has evolved into a bright young star. But he may be doomed to live that Peyton Manning post season life 99-2005 until some of the glaring issues with the KC roster are addressed.

You're right the 99 Rams in fact were not shut out in either half of their 11-6 NFC title game win.

What issues do you suppose KC needs to address?  No Hill.  Down to our 4th string RB already.  Starting LT is out.  Still lighting up the scoreboard.  Mahomes on Pace for 6000/60.