@boo-fagley said:

What would you expect him to say fatty?

I don't know what I would expect....other than give his honest opinion.

@vagitron said:

Is that right?

Yes, it is right.

Why do you think they traded Jimmy?

Because they were either going to have to start him and bench Brady...which was not happening....or they were going to lose him to free agency at the end of last year.  They traded him in order to get something back rather than nothing.

Brady isn't going to be playing much longer. Matt Cassell wasn't a very good qb, he went 11-5. The pats are 13-6 without Brady. Brady is no doubt good but when he's gone they will plug in another qb and continue to win. The pats are bill.

They will continue to possibly be a contender to make the playoffs.  They would never be a contender to win a SB.  They would be basically like the Browns were under BB near the end of his tenure here.   But, remember this about your hero BB:   He was here with the Browns for 5 years......4 of them he had losing seasons. And he has made the playoffs as a HC ONLY 1 time when his QB was not Tom Brady.    So he really ain't all that and a bag of chips.

And...you know who knows all this:  Bill Belichick.   When Brady retires, BB goes with him I believe. He will not want his reputation tarnished by having it proven that he may be only mediocre without him.

@vagitron said:

Ed is an idiot. I'm not making game predictions but he's not exactly well liked in Pittsburgh. He's like mark madden lite and madden is a WWE type character. 

I do think the Browns have improved quite a bit, especially with FINALLY giving a rookie qb the chance to develop without being forced into the lineup to save the farm. Tyrod is underrated and Mayfield can sit back and learn and not get ruined.

Edit: so..e of the comments in here are hilariously ridiculous. Brown losing a step? Wear and tear? Look up the little snippet from a former steeler Josh Harris who was a top shelf track athlete. He said Antonio brown has gotten faster this offseason. Dig up some peer opinions on brown. He was drafted late, he out works EVERYBODY. 

NFL peers rated him number two behind Marsha "system qb" Brady. Sure he's lost a step alright lol.

Everyone is a liar or idiot who speak ill of the Steelers. Steroid riddled champions. Everyone knows the truth.

They ain't winning Super Bowls now.

The system Brady plays in is so simple that Tomlin can't figure it out because he is a genuis defensive guru on another level that mortal humans can't understand.

@vagitron said:

I grew up in Pittsburgh dipshit. It has very racist pockets.

You tell all that I need to know when you play the race card. 

@vagitron said:

I grew up in Pittsburgh dipshit. It has very racist pockets.

the he'll it does.Its full of snowflakes.I've seen it myself.

@the-gipper said:

What is your opinion of Fagley's  position that Tomlin should be fired?

What would you expect him to say fatty?

@boo-fagley said:

you're a fvcking idiot snowflake that turns everything into race.

I grew up in Pittsburgh dipshit. It has very racist pockets.

@vagitron said:

People in Pittsburgh on the fire Tomlin train are racist. Faggle is just stupid.

you're a fvcking idiot snowflake that turns everything into race.

@the-gipper said:

Any credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom BradyAny credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom

Is that right? Why do you think they traded Jimmy? Brady isn't going to be playing much longer. Matt Cassell wasn't a very good qb, he went 11-5. The pats are 13-6 without Brady. Brady is no doubt good but when he's gone they will plug in another qb and continue to win. The pats are bill.

@vagitron said:

It's not a massive gap, it's sure as Sheet not much of a talking point. They are both pretty firmly top 5 unless your name is David Carr. Frankly Ben is underrated and if I had to start a franchise tomorrow about the only qb I'd consider taking over Ben is Rodgers. Marsha is a product of that system. He would be a good qb outside of new England but wouldn't have nearly the amount of success he's had. Either way none of it begins to matter, the season quickly approaches and that's all that matters.

Any credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom BradyAny credibility you had just went into the toilet for sure it is Tom Brady's and makes New England not New England that makes Tom

@the-gipper said:

Well....maybe....but it is an opinion shared by 99.9% of humanity that Rodgers is better.

It's not a massive gap, it's sure as Sheet not much of a talking point. They are both pretty firmly top 5 unless your name is David Carr. Frankly Ben is underrated and if I had to start a franchise tomorrow about the only qb I'd consider taking over Ben is Rodgers. Marsha is a product of that system. He would be a good qb outside of new England but wouldn't have nearly the amount of success he's had. Either way none of it begins to matter, the season quickly approaches and that's all that matters.

And see all this:   I will have put in red those games won by what I consider to NOT be the best QB. If it is  at all close I left it alone.

@hoorta said:

Just because a team has the better qb doesn't mean they're going to win a playoff game. Who was the better qb, Joe Montana or Phil Simms? Just so happened the Giants had a defensive wrecking crew led by Lawrence Taylor. 

PS one of Eli's Super Bowl wins was thanks to one of the biggest miracle catches in the history of the NFL.

Absolutely.   Having the best QB does not guarantee a thing.   See those two Giants games you mention.....see just this past Super Bowl. 

And face it...BR won a Super Bowl when he was NOT the best QB.  The Seattle game....based on outstanding defense, and not QB play.   BR played worse than any winning QB in SB history.   And arguably you could say that Kurt Warner, whose team BR pulled one out against, is as good or better than BR.

And it could certainly be argued that the 70s Steeler dynasty won Super Bowls where the other team had the better QB.   Despite what Ghoolie thinks,  both Roger Staubach and Fran Tarkenton by no means take a back seat to Bradshaw.  (but then for his 4th win, he faced Vince Ferragamo....so there is that).

@vagitron said:

Gipper it doesn't need to be a constant Cleveland vs pittsburgh thing. Cleveland has plenty of racist bs too. Unfortunately there are pockets of Pittsburgh that are very racially charged especially as you head out of the city and into the more rural non pittsburgh areas.

Well...given what has been going on....I agree that the racists have been emboldened...wherever they may be.

@vagitron said:

Oh ya? According to you? Sounds like an opinion to me gipper. Christ.

Well....maybe....but it is an opinion shared by 99.9% of humanity that Rodgers is better.

@the-gipper said:

No, not a matter of opinion.   Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better.  That's a fact. 

Just because a team has the better qb doesn't mean they're going to win a playoff game. Who was the better qb, Joe Montana or Phil Simms? Just so happened the Giants had a defensive wrecking crew led by Lawrence Taylor. 

PS one of Eli's Super Bowl wins was thanks to one of the biggest miracle catches in the history of the NFL.

@the-gipper said:

Really?  I have not heard that.....but then, it is Pittsburgh, so I should not be surprised.

Gipper it doesn't need to be a constant Cleveland vs pittsburgh thing. Cleveland has plenty of racist bs too. Unfortunately there are pockets of Pittsburgh that are very racially charged especially as you head out of the city and into the more rural non pittsburgh areas.

@the-gipper said:

No, not a matter of opinion.   Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better.  That's a fact. 

Oh ya? According to you? Sounds like an opinion to me gipper. Christ.

@the-gipper said:

No, not a matter of opinion.   Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better.  That's a fact. 

Rodgers has carried the Packers offense for awhile now.....one of my FL QBs until he got hurt last year. (backed up by Wentz until he got hurt but Rodgers came back that week.....how the NFL works)

@vagitron said:

Matter of opinion. The Steelers also shouldn't have lost the bowl against gb. Arians telegraphed run plays, Matthew's was on it and blew up Mendenhall. Game over basically.

No, not a matter of opinion.   Rodgers is better, Green Bay was better.  That's a fact. 

@vagitron said:

People in Pittsburgh on the fire Tomlin train are racist. Faggle is just stupid.

Really?  I have not heard that.....but then, it is Pittsburgh, so I should not be surprised.

Zombo said:

Vagitron and I finally agree on something. Somewhere in hell, Art Modell just got frozen over.

Zombo

Ha!

@the-gipper said:

I don't assign Fagley's opinion as being racist...not sure where you get that.   Ignorant, yes, but I would not go so far as to say racist.

I mean, he thinks that BR should have been in and won more Super Bowls.  And of course, he should not have.  They have simply gotten beaten by better teams, better QBs.   As good as BR may be,  he is not as good as Brady or Peyton..who between them had 10 trips to the SB in BRs time with the Steelers. And, yes, Tomlin is a good solid coach (not sure about one of the best..but very good)....but just about anyone would agree that he is not better than Belichick...or maybe even Tony Dungy.  It is certainly no slight to him that he...and BR, have been beaten most times by better QBs, better coaches, better teams.

Matter of opinion. The Steelers also shouldn't have lost the bowl against gb. Arians telegraphed run plays, Matthew's was on it and blew up Mendenhall. Game over basically.