Plum's QB rating is still the highest in Brown's history. Two time Pro Bowler.

2. Ryan

3. Kosar

4. Nelson

5. Sipe

That is the order of the only 5 really good qbs to ever play for this team.

All the rest ranged from journeyman to bum.

@oldcrow1945 said:

He is easily the worst QB in Brown's history. 50+ TD's and 100+ INT's. In his last year with the Brown's he threw 4 TD's and 19 INT's.

WOW, I didn't recall that it had gotten that bad. I must have blotted that out of my memory. I guess it must have been PTSS that caused that loss of memory (post traumatic stress syndrome).

@shepwrite said:

I sure remember him and he was terrible from day one. To this day he's the stiffest QB I have ever seen. He looked like a robot dropping back to pass.

He is easily the worst QB in Brown's history. 50+ TD's and 100+ INT's. In his last year with the Brown's he threw 4 TD's and 19 INT's.

Zombo said:

Sipe was benched for McDonald at the end of that year and McDonald actually started that second playoff game to Raiders.

Zombo

OK, but Sipe was the predominant starter for that season. I suspect that happened a few other times where the QB listed as the primary starter (I took the info from pro-football-reference.com) was benched at some point near the end of the season yet it was still that person who took the majority of the snaps in a season.

@the-gipper said:

If you are discounting what Bill Nelsen did here you don't know Browns history. He probably QBed the Browns to the playoffs 3 or 4 years, which is more than Sipe. And Wynn threw only like 50 passes as a Cleveland Brown so I didn't include him. FYI, Len Dawson also played QB for the Browns but only had 40-50 throws....but he ended up in the HOF.[/b]

Not at all. Just who i think of when i think Browns/QB

Sipe actually QBed the Browns to 2 playoff appearances. In addition to the Red Right 88 season of 1980 he was also the QB in 1982 during the strike shortened season. So make it 2 out of 8 years, not 1.

In 1982 the Browns also lost to the Raiders, 27-10 in their only playoff game.

Thus, FYI, Brian Sipe never QBed the Browns to a single victory in the playoffs. Both games were losses to the Raiders.

Even Testaverde had a playoff win vs. the Patriots.

Graham: 10 years, 10 playoff appearances

O'Connell: 2 years, 1 playoff

Plum: 4 years, 1 playoff

Ryan: 6 years, 3 playoff

Nelsen: 4 years, 3 playoffs

Phipps: 4 years, 1 playoff

Sipe: 8 years, 1 playoff

Kosar: 7 years, 5 playoffs

Testaverde: 3 years, 1 playoff

Couch: 4 years, 1 playoff

The following QBs were the primary QB of the Browns for one year only without making the playoffs

McDonald, Tomczak, Holcomb, Garcia, Dilfer, Frye.

Derek Anderson has been the primary QB for 2 years without making a playoff appearance, though he came close once.

Graham - 5

Ryan - 3

Plum - 2

Nelsen, Sipe, Kosar, Anderson - 1

@hammertime said:

Please tell me the rest never existed.

I hope nobody on this board was one of the yahoo's clamouring for Spurgeon Wynn. (talk about a crapshoot)

[b]

If you are discounting what Bill Nelsen did here you don't know Browns history. He probably QBed the Browns to the playoffs 3 or 4 years, which is more than Sipe. And Wynn threw only like 50 passes as a Cleveland Brown so I didn't include him. FYI, Len Dawson also played QB for the Browns but only had 40-50 throws....but he ended up in the HOF.[/b]

@kosar_for_president said:

Of course Detmer was also brought in when this was just a paper franchise, so I give him some slack there.

@danamal said:

The fans got what they wanted and he was a bust.

Pretty good work on this thread Gipper,

You sure you and Steve are good friends,you seem a little bright for that dim bulb!

Just kidding,no need for anyone to get their panties in a bunch.

I am too bright for that dim bulb, but I take mercy on him anyway since he is an old "homeboy"

Please tell me the rest never existed.

I hope nobody on this board was one of the yahoo's clamouring for Spurgeon Wynn. (talk about a crapshoot)

Bernie Kosar

Brian Sipe

Kelly Holcomb

Jeff Garcia

Tim Couch

Charlie Frye

Luke McCown

Trent Dilfer

Derek Anderson

Ty Detmer

Ken Dorsey

Mike Phipps

Thats the best I can do

Top 10 Browns QBs: 1. Graham (greatest winning QB in Pro Football history) 2. Kosar (5 years of contending) 3. Sipe (FYI, only took Browns to playoffs one time...but was great competitor) 4. Ryan ( aside from Graham won Browns only other title) 5. Nelsen (took Browns to playoffs several years) 6. Couch (took Browns from a paper franchise to playoffs, underrated by many )7. Testaverde (could be awesome, could drive you crazy. Had a couple of good years) 8. Danielson (excellent gap QB and mentor to Kosar) 9. Plum (accurate passer) 10. Anderson (again, hot and cold. Had at least one outstanding year)

Bottom 10 (10 being the worst): 1. Pederson (below average gap QB) 2. McCown (not much was expected from him...he lived up to expectations) 3. Rypien (came here after winning a SB, proved SB was all about Joe Gibbs coaching) 4. Garcia (a system QB in the wrong system with the wrong attitude) 5. Eric Zeier (all thought he had potential...he disappointed)

6. Frye (lost it somehow in one game) 7. McDonald (disappointing, no chutzpah) 8. Phipps (should have been on top 10 list. Had the physical skills, but he really just was too dumb to play QB. Being a part of the Warfield trade does him no favors). 9. Ken Dorsey (the opposite of Phipps. Smart enough to play, but absolutely had no physical skills to play QB in the NFL)

10. Todd Philcox (a Bill Belichick special. He was a combination of Dorsey and Phipps...too dumb AND no physical skills. BB thought he could make chicken salad out of chicken sh**)

On the other QBs: Quinn is too early to judge (hopefully someday we can rank him at least #2). The others were either backups of varying quality (Ninowski/Strock/Pagel were a couple of decent ones...Mays not so much) or were temporary starters af basic mediocrity (Detmer/Holcomb/O'Connell/Ratterman/Tomczak/Dilfer)