@ibleedbrown said:

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/7/31/17637422/three-under-the-radar-browns-to-watch-as-camp-continues

Another article on under the radar dudes. Denzel Rice mentioned.

How cool would it be to have 2 shutdown Denzels? Dueling Denzels.

Very interest article on Duke Johnson buried within that one. Seems like they are expanding his receiving role and turning the running over to Hyde and Chubb. Good move!

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2018/8/1/17639866/cleveland-browns-duke-johnson-embracing-wide-receiver

Another article on under the radar dudes. Denzel Rice mentioned.

How cool would it be to have 2 shutdown Denzels? Dueling Denzels.

@ghoolie said:

No, what I am saying is that the Browns stink and their lack of offensive weapons and originality make any offensive line look like crap.

That was then....this is now.   Browns NOW may in fact have some "lethal weapons" on offense.  Hopefully they do. Landry, Gordon for a full year, hopefully CoCo will improve (not holding breath), Njoku has the innate talent to be one of the best pass catching TEs..he just has to show it.  Duke out of the Backfield,  big back duo of Hyde/Chubb. And hopefully a QB that is not a turnover machine.

On paper I think the Browns appear to have some fire power.    But then, the OL must perform. Because while you are right....a lack of offensive weapons can make an offensive line look like crap.....a crappy offensive line can make good offensive weapons look like crap..and we do have some big questions on OL....mainly the two tackle.

And now with Haley...and not Hue calling the offensive plays, hopefully you will see more of that originality you are looking for.

@the-gipper said:

No, what I am saying is that the Browns stink and their lack of offensive weapons and originality make any offensive line look like crap.

@lbc-mike said:

So you are saying if we had an o line with the talent of cam erving at every position at the line we would be okay?

@ghoolie said:

Not at all. Skill players make the OL. Next you are going to tell me that it was the fantastic Lions OL that allowed Snaders to do so well. Dude, offensive linemen are the least talented fahkers in all of pro sports. BOTH the Steelers and Patriots won a SB with a walk on OL who never played pro ball before. OL blow.

Well then...why don't you take a poll of every QB and every RB in the NFL and ask them if they think they can do it all by themselves without much help from their OLs.   Every single one of them roll on the floor laughing out loud at your suggestion.

@the-gipper said:

And Elliot can't do shite without them.  As you said, they all have to be in synch....the OL and the "skill" players.

Not at all. Skill players make the OL. Next you are going to tell me that it was the fantastic Lions OL that allowed Snaders to do so well. Dude, offensive linemen are the least talented fahkers in all of pro sports. BOTH the Steelers and Patriots won a SB with a walk on OL who never played pro ball before. OL blow.

@ghoolie said:

Dallas has 5 first round picks on the OL. They can't do schidt without Elltion. OL men are a dime a dozen. Lardassses.

And Elliot can't do shite without them.  As you said, they all have to be in synch....the OL and the "skill" players.

@the-gipper said:

 You are right about an offensive line having to play in synch. That is very important for sure....however, if you have an outstanding DE or LB matched up one on one on a bad LT who is getting de-pantsed regularly, no talented QB or in synch OL is going to cover up for that.

Dallas has 5 first round picks on the OL. They can't do schidt without Elltion. OL men are a dime a dozen. Lardassses.

@ghoolie said:

An OL has very little to do with how good a QB is. All OLmen are lardasses, mostly equal in ability. The difference in OL is not in talent of player but in the ability of the line to play in synch.. It is the offensive weapons and play calling that determines how successful a QB will be, not forgetting his own skills, of course.

Tie Rod's history has nothing to do with the future. Unless something dramatically changes with our play calling and risk taking, Tie Rod will have to run a lot, and he will get crippled, like RG Tarkenton 3.

 You are right about an offensive line having to play in synch. That is very important for sure....however, if you have an outstanding DE or LB matched up one on one on a bad LT who is getting de-pantsed regularly, no talented QB or in synch OL is going to cover up for that.

@calfoxwc said:

You read that...wow...the Browns are really going to shock the NFL this year.

No weaknesses (ok, maybe at LT ?), but serious talent and depth all around.

except LT.

dammit.

The irony of having a solid team except for LT isn't lost on me, and it doesn't seem fair that Joe Thomas doesn't get to experience it. Not after the last 2 years. 

I think we win 4 games outright. Any further victories will come down to pulling out games in the last 5 minutes of the 4th. Something we haven't done in years, and something we need to figure out if ever we're going to make real noise. 

@syd said:

do ya think that's why we brought in Fells ? to cover up the L.T position 

They did need a primary blocking TE as Devalve and Njoku seem to be more the pass catching variety. Telfer got the axe so Fells fills those shoes. 

@gumby73 said:

a) were not Pitt..  but Haley should not fall far from 20th'ish of the pack of OC's in the league. Been top 15 since 2012..Haley's talent just has to be coachable talent that executes assignments.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              b) Here's Tyrod's injury history  https://www.sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/tyrod-taylor/4785  care to take a look at Ben's?(click near bottom) Taylor has played 15 games/season for 3 straight seasons..has the Bills OL ever been famous for anything? maybe it's just our turn that the sky stops falling in C-town..Jaguars had no big injuries last season. Was a big part of their successful season carrying Bortles who sucks, compared to Tyrod Taylor..Taylor just won't have the advantage of practicing against that Jags D.. 

An OL has very little to do with how good a QB is. All OLmen are lardasses, mostly equal in ability. The difference in OL is not in talent of player but in the ability of the line to play in synch.. It is the offensive weapons and play calling that determines how successful a QB will be, not forgetting his own skills, of course.

Tie Rod's history has nothing to do with the future. Unless something dramatically changes with our play calling and risk taking, Tie Rod will have to run a lot, and he will get crippled, like RG Tarkenton 3.

@the-gipper said:

 While all the things you say cal are perfectly accurate you missed probably our worst area of deficiency: our playcalling and head coaching. Hopefully our playcalling will improve as much as we hope our defense of back and are wide receivers and our running game will improve 

this is also true, but better talent, to a degree, can make play calling far easier.

@calfoxwc said:

You read that...wow...the Browns are really going to shock the NFL this year.

No weaknesses (ok, maybe at LT ?), but serious talent and depth all around.

except LT.

dammit.

do ya think that's why we brought in Fells ? to cover up the L.T position 

@nickers said:

Yes.. The Bills thought so much of Tie-Rod.. they let him walk LOL.. puhleeze quit overrating this bums abilities.. or lack thereof... The Browns were the only team interested in this bum...

Most gm's for a day here wanted alex smith. that was my phone call too. maybe Alex would like dorseys weapons now vs Skins? With alex already off the board Bills traded Tyrod before they let him walk after this season. 70% of bills fans don't like the move but 16M in Tyrod beats the hell out of 16M for Brock Arss'oiler..Bills had offers https://buffalonews.com/2018/03/28/browns-coach-bills-had-multiple-offers-for-tyrod-taylor/  

@gumby73 said:

a) were not Pitt..  but Haley should not fall far from 20th'ish of the pack of OC's in the league. Been top 15 since 2012..Haley's talent just has to be coachable talent that executes assignments.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              b) Here's Tyrod's injury history  https://www.sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/tyrod-taylor/4785  care to take a look at Ben's?(click near bottom) Taylor has played 15 games/season for 3 straight seasons..has the Bills OL ever been famous for anything? maybe it's just our turn that the sky stops falling in C-town..Jaguars had no big injuries last season. Was a big part of their successful season carrying Bortles who sucks, compared to Tyrod Taylor..Taylor just won't have the advantage of practicing against that Jags D.. 

Yes.. The Bills thought so much of Tie-Rod.. they let him walk LOL.. puhleeze quit overrating this bums abilities.. or lack thereof... The Browns were the only team interested in this bum...

NFL Team Opponent Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only)

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-red-zone-scoring-pct

The Browns were last. ???

I won't be surprised if the Browns go from last to top ten next year.

toast all too often. The Browns could stop the run really well.

But, the Browns were last in...defending in the red zone.

The 2017 Cleveland Browns had more tackles for loss or no gain on run defense than any other team in the 21st century.

The 2017 Cleveland Browns did not win a single game.

Both of those statements are true:

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   So, the way I see it, saw it... the Browns had qb troubles. as in, they didn't have a good one. And their wr crew was seriously lacking. Coleman lost one game. He didn't lose the entire season.

The major other problem, was that the Browns kicked rears on run defense. Again and again and again, most every game? - the Browns run defense would stop them, only to have the opposing offense easily throw for a first down. Sure, they weren't the worst secondary - but most other teams had a better passing game.

  What team was it, that we had 3rd or 4th and about 30 yrds...and they COMPLETED the conversion?

So the Browns went to revamp their qb, wr, and db situation. Simple as that - they will be a very, very different team this year.

Throw last season out - they will be winning this year.