Rock on!!

@mark-o said:

......   Good guy....shows up for work....always ready if needed but not good enough to lead a team all season but can do in case of emergency and he's getting paid a nice stack of chips to stand around on Sundays and watch the game.   Great gig if you can find it.

Good guy, shows up always ready......so's a bus driver but the backup NFL QB is definately a better gig.

@poeticg said:

Okay tough guy. When Hogan starts for the Broncos

Barring injury or a late season start because Denver has already clinched the playoffs, Carl Hogan is not seeing the field for the Broncos this season.    He's in the perfect spot, just like Colt McCoy in Washington.   Good guy....shows up for work....always ready if needed but not good enough to lead a team all season but can do in case of emergency and he's getting paid a nice stack of chips to stand around on Sundays and watch the game.   Great gig if you can find it.

@poeticg said:

Okay tough guy. When Hogan starts for the Broncos and Gordon leads the league at WR, you can then commence the sucking of my Sock...

Yea,  sure, you can call me your rent boy.   Cost would be a measly 5 million dollars.  

@poeticg said:

Okay tough guy. When Hogan starts for the Broncos and Gordon leads the league at WR, you can then commence the sucking of my Sock...

Kevin Hogan won't get a season's worth of starts in his entire NFL career. 

@the-gipper said:

Josh leaving mean you got nobody to give blow jobs to anymore?  No Hogan, no Josh.  etc.  I am sure you can find it within yourself to find a new rent boy.

Okay tough guy. When Hogan starts for the Broncos and Gordon leads the league at WR, you can then commence the sucking of my Sock...

@bob806 said:

Been watching since 1971.

I'm just as frustrated as you or anybody else. 

Obviously not the case as your posts are still rational.

@poeticg said:

What is the opposite of excitement? That's where I'm at right now. The Browns Front Office is the dumbest bunch of assholes in the NFL. 

Dorsey say's "We've stuck by Josh's side for the last six year..." Bitch, you just got here in December. I wouldn't trade 1 Gordon for 100 Buddy Boys. Dumb butt go back to KC. 

Josh leaving mean you got nobody to give blow jobs to anymore?  No Hogan, no Josh.  etc.  I am sure you can find it within yourself to find a new rent boy.

@jiggins7919 said:

What you don't understand is that there will be a "cow poop call" every week. There will be some random, funny moment of the game that won't go our way. Haven't you been watching the past few years? 

Been watching since 1971.

I'm just as frustrated as you or anybody else. 

Dorsey say's "We've stuck by Josh's side for the last six year..." Bitch, you just got here in December. I wouldn't trade 1 Gordon for 100 Buddy Boys. Dumb butt go back to KC. 

@bob806 said:

Boo. We are indeed winless, but just played 2 pretty good teams wire to wire. Things are looking up.

The Browns outplayed the Saints. The cowpoop illegal contact call, when they had Brees sacked, was a huge factor in the outcome IMHO. 

What you don't understand is that there will be a "cow poop call" every week. There will be some random, funny moment of the game that won't go our way. Haven't you been watching the past few years? 

@jiggins7919 said:

Anybody who has any level of optimism is either an idiot or is living better through chemistry. The only way the Browns will win a game is if everything somehow goes their way, and the opposition completely craps down their leg and gives us the win. 

Boo. We are indeed winless, but just played 2 pretty good teams wire to wire. Things are looking up.

The Browns outplayed the Saints. The cowpoop illegal contact call, when they had Brees sacked, was a huge factor in the outcome IMHO. 

@stinkhole said:

Maybe too early for that.

Last season there were a half dozen or so games the browns didn't get blown away , and the year before that.

I'm sure teams have always been aware of the browns. No one wants to fall victim to being the first to lose to them..

It's like an additional hurdle the browns have to face. Teams play extra hard.

As far as I am concerned the tie vs. Pitt was a victory.   Pitt was like a double digit favorite, so there is that.  The Browns came back from a 21=7 deficit.  So there is that.   I got sick during that game (not from the game) and had to take some pills and a nap.  When I woke up and checked the score, I was very positively surprised that it ended in a tie.   So.....from that perspective, it seemed like a win.

(and I would wager that from your perspective it seemed like a loss....being up 21-7).

The Browns now have the talent to win a number of games.  They just now have to overcome the losing culture.  Once they win one, that will be taken care of I believe.

@dawgs89 said:

An upgrade in special teams and coaching will do wonders for us. I see the light at the end of the tunnel.

How so, as far as these special teams are concerned?  Peppers can't get more than 5 yards on a punt return.  And they never run back a kickoff past the 30 yard line.  On the other hand, their kick and punt coverage teams are always giving up big returns.  And, of course, the kicking.  

At least Colquitt seems to be doing his job.  Just not sure what you think will happen to make these STs any better.  By all means, please explain.

Before the season started I said special teams terrified me. The Browns brought in a guy who never seemed to coach good special teams. We're getting what we deserve. Just like we do every week. Our philosophy against the Saints was extremely obvious. Take as much time off the clock as possible, limit the Saints' possessions, and keep the score low. We succeeded in doing that. Congratulations! You executed a game plan to perfection! Here's an effing cookie. 

The PROBLEM with a plan like that is the game is almost certainly going to be CLOSE. What do you need in a close game?! Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? 

YOU NEED GOOD SPECIAL TEAMS. Our conservative, stupid, ignorant, 5th grade offensive approach WON'T WORK when the other team is actually good. Why? Because they're going to make the plays when they need them. This is something we know nothing about. And we never will. 

OK, we've established that we don't have good special teams. So what SHOULD we have done? I'M GLAD YOU ASKED!! But first, let me ask you guys a quick question. Besides the miracle 4th and 5 bomb that will never happen again, how many times did the Browns throw the ball into the end zone? Anybody? I could be wrong. I admit it. But I can't think of ONE OTHER TIME we took a shot at the mother effing end zone. Not one. Can't do it. Can't think of another shot we took. I can think of other drives we had. I can't think of drives that resulted in FG attempts. I can recall the uber safe offensive calls that had next to NO CHANCE at getting first downs, let alone TOUCHDOWNS. 

Hey, there have been many teams that win with the conservative approach. But I can't think of ONE team that won this way, and had the worst special teams in the universe. None. We had 12 points with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter. That's not enough. Conveniently, this is also when Tyrod decided to throw a telegraphed pass into double coverage, which got picked off and essentially lost us the game. We were up 12-10 with 5 minutes to go, WITH THE BALL, and we had absolutely NO CHANCE to win. None. After the game, everyone in the stands asked how I knew. I simply stared back at them and asked, "How'd you NOT know?" 

@tour2ma said:

Being in games is exciting.

So far we're 2 for 2.

And we have a better record than last year

@lbc-mike said:

Time to revisit this topic .

We are not getting blown away and other teams should be aware of us.

Maybe too early for that.

Last season there were a half dozen or so games the browns didn't get blown away , and the year before that.

I'm sure teams have always been aware of the browns. No one wants to fall victim to being the first to lose to them..

It's like an additional hurdle the browns have to face. Teams play extra hard.

So far we're 2 for 2.

I think I came of age as a browns fan last night....sat watching with my good lady here in birmingham, england, with my browns t shirt on. It was in the final quarter when she said to me...'12-3??...they're going to win, there's only 8 minutes left'. I replied...'there's a long way to go yet....they will "browns it up!"' She gave me a quizzical look.....i said... 'just watch this' 

Then those final 8 minutes happened like it seems to happen in every game I've seen. So near but yet so far, every time.

My good lady's post game analysis.....'that kicker is Sheet!' ?

With so many question marks heading into 2018, I'm certain they're heading in the right direction. Can't fix everything at once, but look at the D...sure tackling and an attitude.

Special teams killing us. The offense can surely improve. Young team WILL make strides this year.

The defense looks good! The offense needs to gel and operate without JG! I liked Zane Gonzalez till today. NOT ANYMORE,HE NEEDS TO GO! Turn in your spikes and kicking shoe! No need for anyone to show you out, the doors are right, and left!

GO BROWNS!!!