<![CDATA[An instructive table]]>How we got where we are.

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@calfoxwc said:

when the new technologies, even if they DO exist, are not ready to take oil's place.

The new technologies are not yet fully ready to displace oil as a car fuel, but that is no reason for us to not invest in and utilize such technologies. Hybrids are a positive in that step. Back then US was the only major player in car market. Right now with most of the asian markets emerging the demand for oil and hence the cost of that precious commodity will only increase. It is in our best interest to prepare ourselves rather that wait for some one else to find the solution.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77454https://brownsboard.com/post/77454Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:45:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:35:45 GMT]]>Education. A big reason why many tech jobs are shipped abroad is the "lack of tech people" available and the cost at which the existing people are available. A more skilled workforce will help in having more competition and that will bring down the cost of labor. We need more engineers, scientists, doctors and programmers. The govt must do all it can to make education and cheaper for all.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77451https://brownsboard.com/post/77451Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:35:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:29:41 GMT]]>Every acre? In the entire country? Really?

Name one person who wanted that, Dan.

How about, more realistically,

the people who just wanted to drill where there IS oil,

in Alaska?

Or maybe two other places in the entire U.S. ?

Limited or not, it's ignorant to use oil as a political wedge,

when the new technologies, even if they DO exist, are not ready to take oil's place.

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@danamal said:

I couldnt agree more and from what Obama ran on,

Becoming a leader in new fuels and the tech market are vital for this country to grow

Absolutely correct Dan.

Still that's the road we're on no matter who uses it as a camp[aign tool.

But I have no idealistic beef with Obama (or Pickens) there.

Just keep realistic boys.

Oil is an actual commodity.

Technology can and will be copied and swiped.

Hence the revenue factor is wiped out.

WSS

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77443https://brownsboard.com/post/77443Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:09:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:56:32 GMT]]>not only that steve, we are also the only country that has the kahoonas to drop a atom bomb and burn everyone to hell. when we got finished with hiroshima the only thing left was the shadows of where people used to be.

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@inspecta said:

Yeah but we're already in the middle of a war right now. It didn't keep us out of this current mess.

Beacause in WW2 we took over the job as world manufacturing headquarters as Europe demolished itself.

We're handing that title to China.

And we lost a lot of workers and shrunk the unemployment lines.

And the drought ended.

But it sure as hell wasn't the new deal.

WSS

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77415https://brownsboard.com/post/77415Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:43:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:02:38 GMT]]>I'll alert my Postal Inspector friends in LA and Wilmington.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77411https://brownsboard.com/post/77411Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:02:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:56:55 GMT]]>Not really, go read your history books again. What brought us out of the great depression?

A ) The New Deal 😆

B ) WW II

Or is it all you can do and say is to make wise cracks. grow up punk.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77404https://brownsboard.com/post/77404Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:56:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:49:23 GMT]]>Man, you're disturbed.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77403https://brownsboard.com/post/77403Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:49:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:47:34 GMT]]>Well after all the speculation on the economy and the World Largest ever "Stimulus/Pork/Spending bill" I would say that Obama and the Dems have really put the working tax paying class in jeopardy.

What has been the one thing the government has always went back to to stimulate the economy during a recession or depression?

Who are we going to war with next is what the question should be.

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@inspecta said:

It's maddening, and even moreso for me right now cause this town is completely dry....

Folks piss on California a lot, but there at least three legal dispensaries within a ten minute walk from my front door.

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@inspecta said:

No shit, it's mind boggling how we went from a surplus to this kind of deficit in 9 years.

My American history is a bit fuzzy, when did we become a "superpower"?

Was it with the industrial revolution?

The only reason I ask is that if this truly is the end of us as the big boy on the block we have had a relatively short run compared to other empires throughout history...

It doesn't look good for us, and it seems that our only hope for a comeback is that we develop the next "big thing" from a technical/engineering/science standpoint.

Post-WWII, Spec.

WWII marked the true end of the Industrial Revolution and ushered in the Modern Age.

All the old powers were either decimated/weakened which allowed to megaliths to move in: us and the Soviets.

Then the Cold War, blah blah blah, terrorism, blah blah blah.

Which makes me wonder:

How different would the economic picture be if we HADN'T invaded Iraq?

Anybody ever read "The 2% Solution"? It posited spending 2% of GDP on things like education, Social Security, etc. It suggested spending an "obscene" amount of $250 billion on ourselves to help fix things.

Seems so quaint now...sigh....

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77390https://brownsboard.com/post/77390Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:36:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:10:31 GMT]]>A lot of that is the aging population eating up more entitlement benefits.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77377https://brownsboard.com/post/77377Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:10:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:57:40 GMT]]>It's budget projections based on current law and certain growth assumptions. They're not 100% accurate and could change dramatically with changes to the budget or changes in how the economy performs. But that's why they're projections.

And they have to change.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77370https://brownsboard.com/post/77370Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:57:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:23:47 GMT]]>McCain probably would have insisted on tax cuts as stimulus, which is a brand of stimulus package.

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@heckofajobbrownie said:

How we got where we are.

And here is where we are going:

wapoobamabudget1.jpg

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@we-need-tom-tupa said:

A few that dont give Obama much credit for the bright spots in the current economy:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/...k-under-mccain/

Summary:

If McCain were president, let's assume that we wouldn't have seen a stimulus package. Would the economy look much different? No.

So does that mean we coulda NOT spent all that money and still be screwed?

Reminds me of the Franklin Ajaye bit about coming in last in a long distance race.

Yu gotta be thinking "Hell I coulda watched TV, drank beer and smoked cigarettes instead of trainiong and still came in last!"

🙂

WSS

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77327https://brownsboard.com/post/77327Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:09:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:01:30 GMT]]>A few that dont give Obama much credit for the bright spots in the current economy:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/...k-under-mccain/

Summary:

If McCain were president, let's assume that we wouldn't have seen a stimulus package. Would the economy look much different? No.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77323https://brownsboard.com/post/77323Thu, 11 Jun 2009 01:01:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:14:01 GMT]]>Yeah, that was supposed to be a joke. Just trying to point out I don't try and go down the road of believing or disbelieving things like that. Doesn't do any good.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77309https://brownsboard.com/post/77309Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:14:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:10:59 GMT]]>China doesn't own our banks, Leg.

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@heckofajobbrownie said:

Maybe they should ask themselves why, if he's such a closet socialist, why he didn't choose to nationalize the banks, even when many economists were suggesting doing just that?

An answer & a tie-in to the NWO thread: Because China owns them. I try not to think about that kind of thing. I'll check in with the book of Revelation every once in a while, but once you have kids, it can be a real bummer to think they will have to face that kind of thing. Same goes for the NWO crap.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77300https://brownsboard.com/post/77300Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:00:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:00:19 GMT]]>I did see where NY is supposed to get a $8 billion tunnel in from NJ....good for them I guess.

Not so good for me or you.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77298https://brownsboard.com/post/77298Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:00:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:43:26 GMT]]>Well, I wasn't necessarily dealing in absolutes either. I do know when the stimulus funds were allocated at the beginning of the year, it had not been determined where they would specifically be appropriated to. State assemblies had not yet convened to make these determinations. We could have held off for several months (at least we would have saved the $60bil to GM before it went in the toilet) and be in a similar situation that we are now. We could have started with sending $$ to manufacturing, infrastructure, and other GDP builders and that would have been economically (& politically, imo) more responsible than giving it to people who make their living playing with money.

]]>https://brownsboard.com/post/77286https://brownsboard.com/post/77286Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:43:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to An instructive table on Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:30:16 GMT]]>What exactly has been stimulated to this point??

I don't think much of the money has stimulated a thing.

People are saving their money and paying down debt. No jobs have been created...unemployment is up 3% since president Obama took over(not saying that is all his fault),,,,just saying it hasn't stemmed anything unless you want to pull a figure out of the sky and say this is where it could have been.

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