@mld-woody said:

A trip to Europe over spring break has an educational value

Pryor's Nissan 350 did not

But we've done this back and forth before and I know you'll stay on your anti Michigan at all costs kick

A trip to Europe for almost anyone is a dream vacation of a lifetime. Education? Yeah exchanging dollars for euros. 

Now pryor is still a genuine azzhole, always will be. Cars for jocks and their families has gone on since I was in high school 50 years ago and way before that.

These rivalry gotcha games can go on almost that long also.

Or in Urban's case concerning Aaron Hernandez.

And as a result.. People died..

@mld-woody said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/ohio-state-trustee-resigns-urban-meyer.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytsports

Nobody cares but you.

@mld-woody said:

A trip to Europe over spring break has an educational value

Pryor's Nissan 350 did not

But we've done this back and forth before and I know you'll stay on your anti Michigan at all costs kick

You are so fuyucking stupid that you can't even read or comprehend what I said.  I said more power to them if they can "get away" with giving these trips to Europe. 

No one here has traveled more than me I suspect, and I know that travel has educational value. 

But, the fact is, these kids don't see it that way.   If they were on Wheel of Fortune or Let's make a deal, and you gave them a choice of a trip to Europe, or a new car....what do you really think they would say is more beneficial to their lives and to their education?   A new car, that's what. 

I can tell you from my own experience that having a good, useful, funcitioning automobile was actually much more useful to my education than was my trip to Europe.   The car got me to and from class every day, and to and from work. (I had to work my way through school).

Of course, maybe it is different for someone who is on full scholarship, living in dorms, getting free room and board etc., not having to work a job.

Pryor's Nissan 350 did not

But we've done this back and forth before and I know you'll stay on your anti Michigan at all costs kick

@wargograw said:

Yes the NCAA is. So why are you still crying about it? 

It is a free market now. You don’t need any “if.” You wanna win? Go spend the money you’re so patting yourself on the back for. 

I think he is talking about giving money to the players, which you cannot spend money doing now.

But, what he says about TULN and their boosters having money and spending it, is true.  The dog and pony shows they take to Europe each year I understand are paid for by boosters, and, it is, apparently, permissible.   Can't blame them for doing it if they are allowed. 

Though, I only question: how is a trip to Europe paid for by boosters not an extra benefit, but buying them something something off the rack....clothing or something...or even giving them a car to use if paid for by a booster,  is.

@mld-woody said:

What a very SEC thing to say. It is very very much more widespread and prevelant at certain institutions.

I'm also all for paying the players btw. Compensate them for the millions they earn the university. If if is a free market Michigan has three funds to compete with anyone. At the very least they should be able to make money for their likeness, sell autographs, and yes, sell trophies for tattoos. The NCAA is a sham of an organization that will never seriously investigate any potential cheating if it hurts everyone's ability to make money. 

Yes the NCAA is. So why are you still crying about it? 

It is a free market now. You don’t need any “if.” You wanna win? Go spend the money you’re so patting yourself on the back for. 

@mld-woody said:

Smh, don't go full Trump anti media / kill the messenger like so many other OSU fans. That little "rally" was bad enough.

It is not the messenger, it is just your warped biased message that is at issue

@mld-woody said:

I mean, it isn't hearsay. It was part of OSUs report. And sure, OSU investigated OSU and found OSU not guilty. So that investigation may have not gone as deep as it should have. But if they're reporting something negative towards OSU, it probably happened. 

Unless you've changed phones and not transfered your texts, you have texts back older than a year. You need to manually delete them or change a setting otherwise

You're also not a public, state employee subject to the FOIA. Big difference

It's not that my mind is biased and can't be changed. It's that all of the evidence, includjithst reported by OSU, points towards Meyer deleting his texts and destroying evidence as soon as he was worried about an investigation.

Props to the OSU student paper for trying to get the texts because we sure know the OSU beat writers weren't going to do anything.

But it is hearsay. An investigative report heard that he asked this person a day before, and a newspaper tried to obtain copies but could not know when they were deleted.

Without direct evidence and testimony that is exactly what it is.

Again, not saying he did or didnt do anything wrong. But everything needs to be looked at in the same light.

The exact reason I pointed out to Gip that there were people saying he should have been fired.

And of course he has a different employer, but if the settings were different on his phone or didn't get them transferred doesnt make him shady. It's a possibility. And whether you want to believe it or not, at some point old texts can be deleted. It all has to do with settings and physical memory. That is why there are settings on a phone for lock messages. It's so they DONT GET DELETED 

A. Urban Meyer ain't going nowhere.  Deal with it and STFU.

B. TLUN (Those Losers Up North) are going to continue being TLUN.

C. You are a troll on here as much if not more than Ghoolie is.

D. Repeat A, B, C

@wargograw said:

Everybody uses shady recruiting tactics. Don’t be a crybaby Woody. 

What a very SEC thing to say. It is very very much more widespread and prevelant at certain institutions.

I'm also all for paying the players btw. Compensate them for the millions they earn the university. If if is a free market Michigan has three funds to compete with anyone. At the very least they should be able to make money for their likeness, sell autographs, and yes, sell trophies for tattoos. The NCAA is a sham of an organization that will never seriously investigate any potential cheating if it hurts everyone's ability to make money. 

@gunz41 said:

Obviously nothing said will change your mind, and that is fine. All I will say is that none of the back information wouldn't hold up in court. It's all hearsay. You could be exactly right, or it could just be rumors and speculation. 

I'm sure one of the best coaches in the generation, or heck use Harbaugh has a lot more texts than I do. And I doubt I have texts back over a year. At some point they get erased.

I mean, it isn't hearsay. It was part of OSUs report. And sure, OSU investigated OSU and found OSU not guilty. So that investigation may have not gone as deep as it should have. But if they're reporting something negative towards OSU, it probably happened. 

Unless you've changed phones and not transfered your texts, you have texts back older than a year. You need to manually delete them or change a setting otherwise

You're also not a public, state employee subject to the FOIA. Big difference

It's not that my mind is biased and can't be changed. It's that all of the evidence, includjithst reported by OSU, points towards Meyer deleting his texts and destroying evidence as soon as he was worried about an investigation.

Props to the OSU student paper for trying to get the texts because we sure know the OSU beat writers weren't going to do anything.

@mld-woody said:

Alabama also has a history of shady recruiting and roster management tactics. Sure, people don't like them because they're good, but they're also not liked because they're dirty. 

If this exact same thing happened at Michigan I'd be angry at our local beat riders for hiding the story and protecting the university, appalled we kept a coach like Zach Smith around as long as we did while knowing what type of person he is, and I'd want Harbaugh fired for what was reported by the independent investigation and the attempt to cover up the scandal. 

Everybody uses shady recruiting tactics. Don’t be a crybaby Woody. 

@mld-woody said:

No, he did not....

Armstrong texted Meyer on Aug. 2 this year, the day after he was put on administrative leave, to let him know that two women were coming to his home and would "need four hours with your phone."

The day before, according to the investigative report, Meyer had a conversation with staff member Brian Voltolini about how to set his cell phone so that text messages that were more than a year old would not be retained on the phone. A week prior to that, Voltolini was notified by the university's Freedom of Information officer that the student newspaper had requested a record of Meyer's text messages from the fall of 2015. The investigators said they found no text messages on Meyer's phone that were more than a year old, but could not determine when he adjusted his settings to make those disappear.

Obviously nothing said will change your mind, and that is fine. All I will say is that none of the back information wouldn't hold up in court. It's all hearsay. You could be exactly right, or it could just be rumors and speculation. 

I'm sure one of the best coaches in the generation, or heck use Harbaugh has a lot more texts than I do. And I doubt I have texts back over a year. At some point they get erased.

@gunz41 said:

I'll only reference one thing. A clear pattern from 2009. The DUI is a charge so no issue there, but with these multiple complaints for DV and no charge, one could also say that it was clear that she was not being beaten on. I am in no way claiming that to be the case, but with no charges one could take it either way. Point is there is zero proof either way without a case.

Still, Meyer himself in no way committed these crimes. It seems that some who are upset he wasnt fired want to make him out to be the perpetrator. And either way, Urban did not come out of this looking good

No, he did not....

Armstrong texted Meyer on Aug. 2 this year, the day after he was put on administrative leave, to let him know that two women were coming to his home and would "need four hours with your phone."

The day before, according to the investigative report, Meyer had a conversation with staff member Brian Voltolini about how to set his cell phone so that text messages that were more than a year old would not be retained on the phone. A week prior to that, Voltolini was notified by the university's Freedom of Information officer that the student newspaper had requested a record of Meyer's text messages from the fall of 2015. The investigators said they found no text messages on Meyer's phone that were more than a year old, but could not determine when he adjusted his settings to make those disappear.

@mld-woody said:

It was a clear pattern from 2009 on, from DV allegations to DUIs to in office affairs to restraining orders. That's the main issue for Meyer

No, of course not. But this is a much smaller group for Meyer and reports to Meyer. There were also ample issues he knew about and sure have triggered him to look into it more. But from the beat writers to the AD it's clear they didn't want to know more.

The report references a conversation between Meyer and the football director where Meyer asked how to delete texts older than a year from is phone. And this conversation occured right after the initial allegations. And then when they looked at Meyer's phone there were no texts older than a year. This is all on a public employees phone, that is subject to FOIA stuff 

Pretty much everything I'm referencing is listed in that report. 

I'll only reference one thing. A clear pattern from 2009. The DUI is a charge so no issue there, but with these multiple complaints for DV and no charge, one could also say that it was clear that she was not being beaten on. I am in no way claiming that to be the case, but with no charges one could take it either way. Point is there is zero proof either way without a case.

Still, Meyer himself in no way committed these crimes. It seems that some who are upset he wasnt fired want to make him out to be the perpetrator. And either way, Urban did not come out of this looking good

@gunz41 said:

If he did know, he knew about allegations. As the coach was never charged with anything.

Again, do you think Jimmy Buffett knows EVERYTHING about all his employees? 

And I have heard this evidence thing referenced too. What I remember reading was he didn't have texts more than a year old. That certainly doesnt mean he destroyed anything. Doesnt mean he didnt, but just because he doesnt have anything older than that isnt a smoking gun.

Now I am not saying that he shouldn't have known, etc. But saying he knew about it in 2009, 2015, etc, all I can discern from those incidents is that there was some kind of allegation. Not saying he was guilty or not guilty, but there are 2 people that knows exactly what happened, and neither are Meyer. There were no charges. 

So please explain why you know more than the authorities since there were no charges?

It was a clear pattern from 2009 on, from DV allegations to DUIs to in office affairs to restraining orders. That's the main issue for Meyer

No, of course not. But this is a much smaller group for Meyer and reports to Meyer. There were also ample issues he knew about and sure have triggered him to look into it more. But from the beat writers to the AD it's clear they didn't want to know more.

The report references a conversation between Meyer and the football director where Meyer asked how to delete texts older than a year from is phone. And this conversation occured right after the initial allegations. And then when they looked at Meyer's phone there were no texts older than a year. This is all on a public employees phone, that is subject to FOIA stuff 

Pretty much everything I'm referencing is listed in that report. 

@mld-woody said:

It's Meyer's job to know. He knew about the 2009 incident where Zach assaulted his pregnant wife, and yet he didn't tell Gene when bringing him on to his OSU staff. He knew about the 2015 incident. He knew about the DUI. It seemed like everyone knew about the in the office affair since they transferred the woman he was cheating with out of the department. 

He then followed this up with lying to the media, destroying evidence, and then showing 0 sympathy in his press conference "apology". 

There was grounds to fire Meyer with cause, but OSU didn't want to. That's not saying they had to, but they could have. They could have taken a hard stand and set a standard, but didn't. 

If he did know, he knew about allegations. As the coach was never charged with anything.

Again, do you think Jimmy Buffett knows EVERYTHING about all his employees? 

And I have heard this evidence thing referenced too. What I remember reading was he didn't have texts more than a year old. That certainly doesnt mean he destroyed anything. Doesnt mean he didnt, but just because he doesnt have anything older than that isnt a smoking gun.

Now I am not saying that he shouldn't have known, etc. But saying he knew about it in 2009, 2015, etc, all I can discern from those incidents is that there was some kind of allegation. Not saying he was guilty or not guilty, but there are 2 people that knows exactly what happened, and neither are Meyer. There were no charges. 

So please explain why you know more than the authorities since there were no charges?