@tour2ma said:

Could be... but IIRC he often put his hand in the dirt in NE..

The guy can set the edge... has speed... .just makes sense to me

i thought he was an ilb'er alongside hightower?

@clevfan4life said:

he's an awesome run stopping lb'er but can he grapple with a RT on every down? to me that doesnt seem to be his thing. Sure he xan bring alot of speed to power when he starts 5 yds off the los... but if a RT can get his hands on him right off the snap, u think he can be that every down LDE that has to deal with the RT who is usually the road grading run block type.....??

Could be... but IIRC he often put his hand in the dirt in NE..

The guy can set the edge... has speed... .just makes sense to me

@clevfan4life said:

1) jamie collins will not be putting his hand in the dirt as a 4-3 DE anytime soon,  some of u apparently have access to some of that good clev sht ive been hearing alot about lately. Hook me up cause my kent connection dont get me that fuked up.

2) Its preseason, jamie collins will be srarting against pgh on sep 9th. He's still our best LB'er. He can play every single LB'ing spot.

3) All that being said, u all might be right about our depth. I said "might" cause if i was the HC and one of my staff suggested we trade jamie fukking collins cause of "depth" before we played a single down of meaningful football......guess what....

LB depth and lakc of a quality starter opposite MG is why I see JC at LDE... with his hand in the dirt.

He may still be our best LB, although that is debatable,  but it's about putting the best 11 on the field not the best LB at LB.

@clevfan4life said:

orchard .He's not really big enough to be an every down 43DE and not sure he's fast enough to be a 34 or 43 LB. He's just kind of in between everything. 

X Bengal DE Chris Smith. Did he or can he play LDE ? Smith is behind Myles RDE ahead of Orch..

As a 43 DE he's pure edge rush. But unfirtunately for him our blind side DE is named myles garrett

@texasag1969 said:

I think Ogbah gets a break since he missed most of last season with an injury. Needs more time to develop and he is the better pressure LDE. Orchard ran right around Allen and missed the "sure" tackle behind the LOS inside the 10. How can a guy that size fake you out that bad?

Orchard’s one of the dude’s l’m rooting for, but he didn’t look good this game. Seemed like he was overruning and getting out of position all game. 

@clevfan4life said:

 This to me is ogbah, nassibs and orchards make or break season. If they play only marginally better than the past 2 seasons that LDE spot has to be addressed in the draft

I think Ogbah gets a break since he missed most of last season with an injury. Needs more time to develop and he is the better pressure LDE. Orchard ran right around Allen and missed the "sure" tackle behind the LOS inside the 10. How can a guy that size fake you out that bad?

Its possible he was supposed to do that depending on who it was to his right at DT. If it was meder, no chance ogbah was supposed to pinch in and help. Meder is our main interior run stopper now that danny is gone. Perhaps willuams wants ogunjobi helped on the inside? i dunno. But then i have more concerns about our interior run d. 

to me nassib and ogbahs pass rushing is a wash, but nassib is better at holding his edge. Which while im not happy with any of our LDE's, is why id still prefer nassib in at LDE most of the time. But we'll see when the season starts. This to me is ogbah, nassibs and orchards make or break season. If they play only marginally better than the past 2 seasons that LDE spot has to be addressed in the draft

2) Its preseason, jamie collins will be srarting against pgh on sep 9th. He's still our best LB'er. He can play every single LB'ing spot.

3) All that being said, u all might be right about our depth. I said "might" cause if i was the HC and one of my staff suggested we trade jamie fukking collins cause of "depth" before we played a single down of meaningful football......guess what....

@tour2ma said:

... and I am seeing DE in his future.

Had not thought of that, but given the way Garrett on occasion is on the LOS as a standup OLB, it makes a lot of sense.?

@tour2ma said:

... and I am seeing DE in his future.

I could see that too...

@dutch-oven said:

I'm starting to think Jamie Collins might not be a Brown when Training Camp wraps up. 

... and I am seeing DE in his future.

@the-gipper said:

I assume that those were like our third string defensive backs playing in that second half. 

Yep-I don't really pay too much attention other than watching to see how a few individuals do in the second half. Game 3 against Philly will be the dress rehearsal for the season. Let's just see how the team does against the SB Champs. Only after that can we justify panic mode.

@hoorta said:

Report from the game, what you just said, and more...

1) Far too many stupid penalties... (ghoolie is gloating) resulting in TD for Bills, and taking one of our TDs off the board... Duly noted punt coverage sucked, guys getting out of their lanes resulting in big returns.

2) DB coverage (or more exactly non-coverage) in the secondary in the second half was atrocious. Several where our guy wasn't within 10 yards of the receiver when the pass got there. Note to Mr. Williams- why are you still playing your safeties in the parking lot 20 yards off the ball when it's third and five? Inquiring minds want to know. That's a gift first down underneath coverage.  

I assume that those were like our third string defensive backs playing in that second half. 

@syd said:

another of hue's punishments ? 

All new news to me so hell if l know. Not sure what he’s done to deserve punishment, and l think he’s looked pretty good so far. I would put him above Kirksey and Shobert in the “what have you shown me lately” category. 

However, if we could get a comarably talented DT in exchange l would consider it.

@ibleedbrown said:

Oddly enough read this snippet from a Zac Jackson article after responding.

• Though he wasn’t the only starter or veteran player to do so, it was still interesting — if that’s the right word — to see Jamie Collins playing with the second defensive group and being involved in high-speed goal line collisions late in the second quarter. The Browns are working on building enough depth to have a true rotation, but Collins has a lot of experience, makes a lot of money and really doesn’t need those snaps Aug. 17.

And good call on leather.

another of hue's punishments ? 

@dutch-oven said:

Mediocre production, a lot of depth, big contract. 

It wouldn't shock me if he's still on the team mind you, but I could see him traded off so a cheaper, as productive player could take his place. 

And leather, of course. 

Oddly enough read this snippet from a Zac Jackson article after responding.

• Though he wasn’t the only starter or veteran player to do so, it was still interesting — if that’s the right word — to see Jamie Collins playing with the second defensive group and being involved in high-speed goal line collisions late in the second quarter. The Browns are working on building enough depth to have a true rotation, but Collins has a lot of experience, makes a lot of money and really doesn’t need those snaps Aug. 17.

And good call on leather.

@ibleedbrown said:

A statement like that begs the question.

Do you prefer leather or denim chaps?

Also, why do you think Collins won’t be with the team this year?

Mediocre production, a lot of depth, big contract. 

It wouldn't shock me if he's still on the team mind you, but I could see him traded off so a cheaper, as productive player could take his place. 

And leather, of course. 

@dutch-oven said:

I'm starting to think Jamie Collins might not be a Brown when Training Camp wraps up. 

A statement like that begs the question.

Do you prefer leather or denim chaps?

Also, why do you think Collins won’t be with the team this year?