@jiggins7919 said:

And I get that, but is Davis better than Meder, especially considering Meder has been in our system and would have nothing to learn? There has to be a learning curve, even for DL, right? Obviously Dorsey knows more than I do, but sometimes I feel like GMs just make moves to make moves. And isn't there a teamwork element here? Meder and Nassib were said to be well liked and and genuinely appeared to be part of the "family", ya know? The difference in talent seems so marginal to me, and bringing in new people to supplant two mainstays just seems odd. But...as you said....to be determined. 

Well Nassib did give questionable investment advice... so there's that. But seriously... even after HK... I don't have the sense that either was close to being the heartbeat of the team... no where near like Landry and Baker and Kirk...

As for a DT learning curve... not all that steep for 1st and 2nd down run-gap D as I recall.

@dutch-oven said:

How dare you sir...

Very easily...

@jiggins7919 said:

And I get that, but is Davis better than Meder, especially considering Meder has been in our system and would have nothing to learn? There has to be a learning curve, even for DL, right? Obviously Dorsey knows more than I do, but sometimes I feel like GMs just make moves to make moves. And isn't there a teamwork element here? Meder and Nassib were said to be well liked and and genuinely appeared to be part of the "family", ya know? The difference in talent seems so marginal to me, and bringing in new people to supplant two mainstays just seems odd. But...as you said....to be determined. 

I get where you’re coming from. My main issue with going into this season was that half the team would be new to each other and the learning curve to develop chemistry and all that. Add in to that the “1-2-3 family!” rah rah bullshìt in camp and trying to create this atmosphere where everybody has everybody else’s back, and then within a day axing a family member for the prospect of greener pastures. 

I guess if the talent difference is that significant l get it, as long as the majority of the rest of the “family” sees it and believes it. But if not all it does is make some guys wonder if they’re next and whether the elder members of the family truly believe in them.

@tour2ma said:

And Meder wasn't all that... 

How dare you sir... Jamie Meder was the reason for the 1 in 1-31! ?

Hope the local kid catches on somewhere, I'm sure he will. 

@tour2ma said:

TBD for sure...

I trust that Dorsey thinks he's improving the team with these moves and with the DL moves I think he has in some aspects, e.g., Odenigbo is a better pass rusher than Nassib. But in total? TBD.

And Meder wasn't all that... nice player to be sure, but Davis is very stout against the run.

And I get that, but is Davis better than Meder, especially considering Meder has been in our system and would have nothing to learn? There has to be a learning curve, even for DL, right? Obviously Dorsey knows more than I do, but sometimes I feel like GMs just make moves to make moves. And isn't there a teamwork element here? Meder and Nassib were said to be well liked and and genuinely appeared to be part of the "family", ya know? The difference in talent seems so marginal to me, and bringing in new people to supplant two mainstays just seems odd. But...as you said....to be determined. 

@jiggins7919 said:

I would've agreed with you until our latest cuts and signings. We let Meder and Nassib go for two defensive bozos I've never heard of. One was a 2017 7th rounder from the Vikings. Uhhhhh. Why? These are the type of moves that make basically no sense. It's GM's trying to show how smart they are and I HATE THAT. The team loved Meder and Nassib. They were productive (especially Meder) and I don't see the benefit of cutting them for experimental players that won't be on a roster next season. Nassib and Meder will be immediately picked up and probably play significant time this season. Whereas the nobodies WE got instead will probably do nothing. Maybe I'm wrong, but right now it's looking super dumb. 

TBD for sure...

I trust that Dorsey thinks he's improving the team with these moves and with the DL moves I think he has in some aspects, e.g., Odenigbo is a better pass rusher than Nassib. But in total? TBD.

And Meder wasn't all that... nice player to be sure, but Davis is very stout against the run.

@tour2ma said:

Besides the bad drop he had issues blocking their 3rd-stringers. Fells lessons did not make it onto the field.

Goes with jiggins' thought on Orchard... we're cutting/stashing... even trading... more talented players now than we have in some time.

I would've agreed with you until our latest cuts and signings. We let Meder and Nassib go for two defensive bozos I've never heard of. One was a 2017 7th rounder from the Vikings. Uhhhhh. Why? These are the type of moves that make basically no sense. It's GM's trying to show how smart they are and I HATE THAT. The team loved Meder and Nassib. They were productive (especially Meder) and I don't see the benefit of cutting them for experimental players that won't be on a roster next season. Nassib and Meder will be immediately picked up and probably play significant time this season. Whereas the nobodies WE got instead will probably do nothing. Maybe I'm wrong, but right now it's looking super dumb. 

@calfoxwc said:

*reads list of cuts...*

Somehow Chubb made the team.

Zombo

@tiamat63 said:

*watches game vs lions* 

*reads list of cuts...*

@jiggins7919 said:

Cajuste did ok, although I admit to not watching him specifically. Besides that one drop, did he make mistakes? And that drop wasn't the easiest play. The defender made an excellent play getting the ball out. Does Cajuste need to snatch that ball and bring it in quickly? Of course. But it wasn't like he just channeled his inner Quincy Morgan and clanged it.

Orchard is toast, but only from our team. That incredible play may not have been enough to make OUR team, but Orchard will catch on somewhere else. I know it. He's been around the QB so much, he'll make the plays eventually.

Besides the bad drop he had issues blocking their 3rd-stringers. Fells lessons did not make it onto the field.

@calfoxwc said:

the Browns are going to have one hell of a tough time, with losing guys off their practice squad now.

Goes with jiggins' thought on Orchard... we're cutting/stashing... even trading... more talented players now than we have in some time.

@ghoolie said:

Agreed. However, the Browns trading for big names is not exactly high probability.

Too late now since he's headed to Chitown.

@texasag1969 said:

Big IF, but IF they are able to trade for Mack, our pass rush would rival Denver's.

Agreed. However, the Browns trading for big names is not exactly high probability.

@ghoolie said:

I don't think the pass rush is going to be all that.

Big IF, but IF they are able to trade for Mack, our pass rush would rival Denver's.

Mayfield has the quickest release and most fearless gun of any QB the Browns have had since returning as V 2.0

I don't think the pass rush is going to be all that.

The Sears and Roebuck kid looks as sharp as Mayfield

TieRod Tylor needs to do his thing and be gone in 4 weeks. The Browns need to build around Mayfield. I have no idea why they even signed that jackoff. He surely won't teach Mayfield anything. Why let him start?

@syd said:

coach Haley handed over the play calling duties to coach Kitchens last night this is a reach   but hell yes could this spell doom for hue as coach Haley takes over and then tells hue to get the fuk off my bus

So if Kitchens is writing the plays, does that mean every game we’ll be throwing the Kitchens ink at them?

@texasag1969 said:

I'd rather lose the FB

But he’s Vitale to our success.

Zombo said:

Duke is not moving to WR.

Dayes is 4th RB and Special teams if he survives the bubble.

Zombo

I'd rather lose the FB

@orion said:

He started games for us.  And Corbert played.

He has started one game in his career, two years ago:

Zombo said:

Duke is not moving to WR.

Dayes is 4th RB and Special teams if he survives the bubble.

Zombo

Duke will be listed as a RB.  Where he lines up on the field is another matter. 

Edit: Reiter has some game to him.  I feel very comfortable with him backup up Tretter.

@the-gipper said:

Reiter is not a starter for us.

He started games for us.  And Corbert played.

@orion said:

I thought Hilliard looked kinda' slow last night.   Dayes might latch on because of special teams.

We have to bare in mind that last night's game was against the Lions backups and backups to the backups.  We had some OLinemen playing who are/were starters for us (Reiter being one of 'em).

Reiter is not a starter for us.  He is the backup OC to JC Tretter.   The only starter was Zeitler, and that was because he needed the work, not having played yet this season.  Otherwise the Browns had all backups playing on both offense and defense, and perhaps even some special teams. (I know the return men were backups)

We have to bare in mind that last night's game was against the Lions backups and backups to the backups.  We had some OLinemen playing who are/were starters for us (Reiter being one of 'em).