@tour2ma said:

I wonder if we'll see more 4-2-5 alignment on early downs...

We don't have an LB that can track Kamara.

Kirskey and Gordon ruled out now. A loss just turned into a blowout. 

@jiggins7919 said:

Our linebackers took a bit of heat last week compared to other parts of the defense, but Collins is the guy who didn't do much in my opinion. If we're going to have ANY chance to keep this game CLOSE, Jamie Collins is going to need to show up, and show up LARGE. It's not a stretch to say Collins, and the other backers, will determine whether we win or lose. Yes, our secondary has to be amazing, yes we obviously need another monster game out of Myles Garrett, but our linebackers ability to cover AND tackle effectively will be everything. Limiting YAC, disrupting passing lanes, and stopping (or slowing down) Kamara. 

I wonder if we'll see more 4-2-5 alignment on early downs...

We don't have an LB that can track Kamara.

the first set of numbers is the rushing totals for pukesburg....they have a set offense for years, pretty much a set group of players.

The Browns had a new qb, two new rbs, brand new LT, Bitonio back at LOG,One new TE, new RT....etc etc. New OC.

Pukes had a new rb. and the Browns still outrushed them.

   I'm happy that the Browns played so tough the first game in the rain, vs the pukes, and tied. A few miscues/miscommunications on defense - sure - it's to be expected. First regular season game, no loss - that's ok !

  Having said that, there needs to be improvement this next game. Tyrod wasn't getting the ball downfield, the offensive line washaving some communication/coordination problems here and there, sure.

  Without a lot of improvement, well, the Browns offense could get owned by the Saints. The Browns defense adjusted for the second half, and the secondary is going to rock all season - and pressure/interceptions/shutdowns by the defense will continue.

  Tomorrow, vs the Saints? Tyrod has to show he isn't afraid to get the ball downfield at any time. Dink and dunk is playing it safe. Advantage - opposing defenses. And, as soon as I saw him throw to Gordon for that second time, down the right sideline?

  The db already got burned once on the same play, Tyrod threw it, I cringed, and it was under-thrown, just bad.

Tomorrow, I expect the Browns' defense will make a name for themselves - and give the Saints fits. And the Browns offense will get their timing down, and play better.

      Concern? that Tyrod keeps struggling - he can make plays, etc - but he doesn't seem to have the same accuracy that Baker does, doesn't seem to have the elusive instincts in the pocket/backfield that Baker does, doesn't have Baker's arm strength, and doesn't see the field "instantly" like Baker does.

   It could be, Tyrod rocks it in a few games, or Baker plays sooner that we think. But I believe Tyrod will bounce back.

What was the score last week? TB 48 Saints 40 ? The Browns have a defense that will be even better tomorrow, and the Saints offense could be toast. And the Saint's pass defense ... not good.

  Rock it, Tyrod.

@the-gipper said:

Well,  I think that "Collins", our Collins, is the guy that may have the main duty of covering the opposing RB, no?  Or is it somebody else?

Our linebackers took a bit of heat last week compared to other parts of the defense, but Collins is the guy who didn't do much in my opinion. If we're going to have ANY chance to keep this game CLOSE, Jamie Collins is going to need to show up, and show up LARGE. It's not a stretch to say Collins, and the other backers, will determine whether we win or lose. Yes, our secondary has to be amazing, yes we obviously need another monster game out of Myles Garrett, but our linebackers ability to cover AND tackle effectively will be everything. Limiting YAC, disrupting passing lanes, and stopping (or slowing down) Kamara. 

@tour2ma said:

I had it in mind to write this as well...

It's a real possibility.

Well,  I think that "Collins", our Collins, is the guy that may have the main duty of covering the opposing RB, no?  Or is it somebody else?

@lbc-mike said:

We got burned by Collins last week.  Seemed like he was open for the pass alot.  Needed like a spy on him.

Kamara will be the same.

Do you mean Connor?

@jiggins7919 said:

We're in for a healthy dose of Kamara, and it won't be pretty.  He'll likely be over 100 yards rushing AND 100 yards receiving.  He's that good.  

I had it in mind to write this as well...

It's a real possibility.

Kamara will be the same.

@clevfan4life said:

i know nothing about the saints except drew brees can still sling it. Are we in fir another 100 plus yd rusher with them?

We're in for a healthy dose of Kamara, and it won't be pretty.  He'll likely be over 100 yards rushing AND 100 yards receiving.  He's that good.  

@clevfan4life said:

i know nothing about the saints except drew brees can still sling it. Are we in fir another 100 plus yd rusher with them?

Kamara

We can't sacrifice run D. Or at least don't go all in pass D. I like what Tour said about Peppers playing close to the box to balance our run D. 

Zombo said:

Only thing I blame new front office for so far, is not going out and signing a veteran left tackle back in the spring so a promising guy like Harrison isnt starting Day 1 and holding back the team while we install a new offense.

Z

They did to that in their heads, they instead drafted a guard in the 2nd round and moved Bitonio to LT.

And Corbett wasn't even dressed on Sunday. They're getting a pass on this and I don't know why. It's a huge Shmuck up

@clevfan4life said:

well we all saw on sunday what happens when u have a DL that doesnt do fundamentals like keep OL off the LB'ers. U can play that 2004 colts style defense of stopping the run on the way to the qb, when u have peyton manning dropping 2-3 TD's on a team before everyone has made it to their seats. Are we that offense and i just didnt know?

I literally was going to write the same exact thing Clevfan… 

If you are going to sacrifice run defense, you better have an offense that makes the opposing team's run game null and void on a consistent basis. 

@hoorta said:

Situational pass rusher. 

Already had those, h... I think Zettel will be the early down guy.

Feels to me like Dorsey is a pressure-the-QB guy. He's gone all-in on that and left it to Williams to figure out how stop the run... and that's going to heavily depend on Peppers in (or near) the box.

@unsympathetic said:

What does it say about the state of our roster that Zettel's level, even if it is nowhere near Garrett, was still greatly above that of everyone we cut?

it says our dc has completely abandoned the idea of stopping the run cause nassib was our best edge setter, yes better than garret...at least for now. Something that apparently zettel suks at according to this article.

but i digress ive not seen a single snap from this kid, so ill bow out of this discussion. I just was so initially taken back by the headline.....cause i assumed zettel must be some practice squad meat. But he's apparently not....so we shall see. 

if all these new guys cant get to the qb AND cant set an edge......expect to see too numerous to count posts about it till the end of the season. Im not gonna roast these guys if they're at least serviceable in compliment to garrett, as ogbah is who also couldnt set an edge with a giant scottish claymore. But if they suk at pass rush and suk at run d........why are they here.....

@the-gipper said:

Well....it was just one game.  If this guy is as talented as believed   (and everyone believed he was talented, he just did not get drafted because of off field issues), then can we assume that he will improve game by game?

Ya, I'm gonna walk back my original statement,  I didn't realize the list of free agent tackles was so weak ... bad year to lose Joe.

We did a good job getting Hubbard and we had four other guys to take a shot at LT (Coleman, Corbett, Robinson, Bito) before we went with the current lineup.

Guess we just have to ride with his guy and give him help  as much as we can. Corbett was actually inactive this week so, he looks like we'll be working on him to make an impact in 2019.

Harrison will be learning on the job ... and hopefully we can win around him while he does that.

Z

--Cam Erving in the first, Shone Coleman in the third, Rod Johnson in the fifth ... Shame that none of them worked out ... But some of our best LT's were undrafted or drafted late... Tony Jones udfa, Paul Farren 12th rd, Doug Dieken 6th rd TE.