@canton-mike said:

Getting back to golf, how the HELL do you leave Arnold Palmer off? He took the perception of golf as a "rich man's game" & brought it to the average guy. He was truly the "Ambassador of Golf". Had it not been for Arnold Palmer, Tiger (through his Dad) may never have had the opportunity he has had. Arnold Palmer is definitely one of the most significant contributors to golf history. IMHO, leaving him off is a travesty!

Mike

MHO the reason Arnie gets overlooked is because he never completed the Grand Slam. Guys that I'd nominate besides Byron Nelson, Ben Hogan, for sure Sam Snead, Nicklaus, and Tiger.

@the-gipper said:

So, maybe if in fact the political correctness of things essentially forces the Tribe to change their name,   would anyone want them to revert to The Spiders?

I don't know.....I hate spiders.

I imagine that a good logo would be a marketing bonanza. 

@tour2ma said:

I was going to go with: Down came the rain and washed the spiders out...

So, maybe if in fact the political correctness of things essentially forces the Tribe to change their name,   would anyone want them to revert to The Spiders?

I don't know.....I hate spiders.

@the-gipper said:

Which brings up another question....perhaps for the Tribe forum:   Why did not the Cleveland Spiders continue on as a National League team?   They began in 1887 and lasted until 1899, then folded apparently.  But, the Indians (by another name)  began just 2 years later, in 1901.   So Cleveland was without  a major league baseball team for just  one single year:  1900. 

So, what happened to the Cleveland Spiders?

Somehow the owner of the Spiders also owned a franchise in St. Louis (I think) and for reasons I don't remember off the top of my head decided to transfer all the good players off the Spiders to St. Louis. The Spiders were the literal version of the movie 'Major League' Indians, made up of castoffs and never-was-is's… They finished the season 20-134. 

@ghoolie said:

Ray Narleski should get honorable mention. If Bob Feller wasn't there, Narleski would have been the star. One hell of a pitcher

Narleski and Feller didn't really didn't compete for a starting spot.

Narleski's had a short career....only played 6 years, 5 with the Indians.  From 1954 to 1958.  His record was  39-21.

Feller played a couple of years with Narleski at the end of his career.  

So, while Narleski may have been a bit of a cult figure...to you, no one is going to put him on the Mt. Rushmore of MLB pitchers. 

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But....an interesting question would be:

Who would be on the Mt. Rushmore of Indians pitchers over history?  Feller....Lemon....Harder....Covaleski....Addie Joss...Early Wynn....Sam McDowell...Kluber...

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And note this:   Cy Young  spent 9 years with the Cleveland Spiders of the National League and another 3 with the Indians.

Which brings up another question....perhaps for the Tribe forum:   Why did not the Cleveland Spiders continue on as a National League team?   They began in 1887 and lasted until 1899, then folded apparently.  But, the Indians (by another name)  began just 2 years later, in 1901.   So Cleveland was without  a major league baseball team for just  one single year:  1900. 

So, what happened to the Cleveland Spiders?

@ghoolie said:

Ray Narleski should get honorable mention. If Bob Feller wasn't there, Narleski would have been the star. One hell of a pitcher

Glad to see your lack of knowledge about sports isn't limited to only football. 

@tour2ma said:

lol... I had an advantage.

Every year going into double sessions in H.S. our coaches would show us an NFL Films production on Chuck. There are a few on youtube, but not the one I remember.

I remember Art Donovan of the Colts, perhaps the greatest interview in NFL history, describe Bednarik's prowess as a center: "He couldn't block my grandmother." 

@nickers said:

Perhaps you need an upgrade on cheaters :P.. Ok yes.. I meant chuck.. I had a whale of a time remembering his name.. but here is what you missed!!

lol... I had an advantage.

Every year going into double sessions in H.S. our coaches would show us an NFL Films production on Chuck. There are a few on youtube, but not the one I remember.

@tour2ma said:

Any relation to Chuck?

Last two-way player in the NFL...

Slept on this one...

MJ, LBJ, Magic, Olajuwon...

All conventional choices except Hakeem, but he was the most athletic Center I've ever seen and he could do it all... Offense with range... Defense. Just a joy to watch him play.

Perhaps you need an upgrade on cheaters :P.. Ok yes.. I meant chuck.. I had a whale of a time remembering his name.. but here is what you missed!!

7. Name your Mt. Rushmore of NBA  players in history. 

Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell

@nickers said:

George Bednarik

Any relation to Chuck?

Last two-way player in the NFL...

@nickers said:

7. Name your Mt. Rushmore of NBA  players in history.

Slept on this one...

MJ, LBJ, Magic, Olajuwon...

All conventional choices except Hakeem, but he was the most athletic Center I've ever seen and he could do it all... Offense with range... Defense. Just a joy to watch him play.

Zombo said:

Nobody was better in their prime.

Look at his stats for the five years from 1972 thru 1976.

And, yes, I hate him.

Z

I have to admit... The Electric Company was awesome saucery!

@darren15 said:

OJ Simpson ... really ?  ..... I guess he fits the category like a glove ....

Nobody was better in their prime.

Look at his stats for the five years from 1972 thru 1976.

And, yes, I hate him.

Z

@the-gipper said:

So, Tiger Woods was asked who should be on the Mt. Rushmore of golfers, and he says, Sam Snead, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicklaus, and him.   Fair enough.    So, extrapolating on that theme  please name whom you think should be on the Mt. Rushmore in the following categories.  By this, of course we mean who are the best 4 ever to play these sports/positions:

1. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Quarterbacks in NFL history....Otto Graham, Bart Starr, Joe Montana, Tom Brady

2. Name your Mt Rushmore of  Running Backs in NFL history...Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Lenny Moore, Gale Sayers 

3. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Wide Receivers in NFL history...Jerry Rice, Paul Warfield, Randy Moss, Fred Biletnikoff

4. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Middle Linebackers in NFL history...finger Butkus, Ray Nitschke, Ray Lewis, Willie Lanier

5. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Pass rushers  (DE/OLB)  in NFL history...Deacon Jones, Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor

6. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Head Coaches in NFL history...Paul Brown, George Halas, Vince Lombardi, Don Shula

7. Name your Mt. Rushmore of NBA  players in history...LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson 

8. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball  position players in history...Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Willie Mays

9. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball pitchers in history...Sandy Koufax, Bob Feller, Cy Young, Greg Maddux

10. Name your Mt. Rushmore of hockey players in history...Wayne Gretzky, Gordy Howe, Bobby Hull, Mario Lemieux

Getting back to golf, how the HELL do you leave Arnold Palmer off? He took the perception of golf as a "rich man's game" & brought it to the average guy. He was truly the "Ambassador of Golf". Had it not been for Arnold Palmer, Tiger (through his Dad) may never have had the opportunity he has had. Arnold Palmer is definitely one of the most significant contributors to golf history. IMHO, leaving him off is a travesty!

Mike

Zombo said:

1. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Quarterbacks in NFL history.

Otto Graham, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana

2. Name your Mt Rushmore of  Running Backs in NFL history

Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, O.J. Simpson

3. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Wide Receivers in NFL history

Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, Terrell Owens, Randy Moss

4. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Middle Linebackers in NFL history

finger Butkus, Mike Singletary, Sam Huff, Ray Lewis

5. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Pass rushers  (DE/OLB)  in NFL history

Deacon Jones, Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Lawrence Taylor

6. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Head Coaches in NFL history

Vince Lombardi, Paul Brown, Don Shula, Bill Belichick

7. Name your Mt. Rushmore of NBA  players in history.

Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell

8. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball  position players in history

Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Barry Bonds

9. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball pitchers in history

Walter Johnson, Roger Clemens, Sandy Koufax, Greg Maddux

10. Name your Mt. Rushmore of hockey players in history. 

Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Orr, Gordie Howe, Mario Lemieux

OJ Simpson ... really ?  ..... I guess he fits the category like a glove ....

@the-gipper said:

So, Tiger Woods was asked who should be on the Mt. Rushmore of golfers, and he says, Sam Snead, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicklaus, and him.   Fair enough.    So, extrapolating on that theme  please name whom you think should be on the Mt. Rushmore in the following categories.  By this, of course we mean who are the best 4 ever to play these sports/positions:

1. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Quarterbacks in NFL history.

Bradshaw, Starr, Stabler, Graham

2. Name your Mt Rushmore of  Running Backs in NFL history

JB, Sanders, Sayers, OJ.....................Payton is maybe 10th, was over rated.

3. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Wide Receivers in NFL history

Swann, Warfield, Rice, Cohllinswort

4. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Middle Linebackers in NFL history

Boring

5. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Pass rushers  (DE/OLB)  in NFL history

Gastineau, Bruce Smith, Mean Joe, Joe Pepitone 

6. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Head Coaches in NFL history

Lombardi, Hallas, Brown, Cowher

7. Name your Mt. Rushmore of NBA  players in history.

Phuck the NBA....Jail all of them.

8. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball  position players in history

Ted Williams, Feller, Ruth, Dimaggio

9. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball pitchers in history

Same as above.

10. Name your Mt. Rushmore of hockey players in history. 

Meaningless Sport, B O R I N G

@the-gipper said:

So, Tiger Woods was asked who should be on the Mt. Rushmore of golfers, and he says, Sam Snead, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicklaus, and him.   Fair enough.    So, extrapolating on that theme  please name whom you think should be on the Mt. Rushmore in the following categories.  By this, of course we mean who are the best 4 ever to play these sports/positions:

1. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Quarterbacks in NFL history.

Bradshaw, Starr, Stabler, Graham

2. Name your Mt Rushmore of  Running Backs in NFL history

JB, Sanders, Sayers, OJ.....................Payton is maybe 10th, was over rated.

3. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Wide Receivers in NFL history

Swann, Warfield, Rice, Cohllinswort

4. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Middle Linebackers in NFL history

Boring

5. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Pass rushers  (DE/OLB)  in NFL history

Gastineau, Bruce Smith, Mean Joe, Joe Pepitone 

6. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Head Coaches in NFL history

Lombardi, Hallas, Brown, Cowher

7. Name your Mt. Rushmore of NBA  players in history.

Phuck the NBA....Jail all of them.

8. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball  position players in history

Ted Williams, Feller, Ruth, Dimaggio

9. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball pitchers in history

Same as above.

10. Name your Mt. Rushmore of hockey players in history. 

Meaningless Sport, B O R I N G

@the-gipper said:

So, Tiger Woods was asked who should be on the Mt. Rushmore of golfers, and he says, Sam Snead, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicklaus, and him.   Fair enough.    So, extrapolating on that theme  please name whom you think should be on the Mt. Rushmore in the following categories.  By this, of course we mean who are the best 4 ever to play these sports/positions:

1. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Quarterbacks in NFL history.

Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Joe Montana, Tom Brady

2. Name your Mt Rushmore of  Running Backs in NFL history

Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk 

3. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Wide Receivers in NFL history

Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson

4. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Middle Linebackers in NFL history

finger Butkus, Ray Nitschke, Mike Singletary, Ray Lewis

5. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Pass rushers  (DE/OLB)  in NFL history

Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Deacon Jones

6. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Head Coaches in NFL history

Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick

7. Name your Mt. Rushmore of NBA  players in history.

Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Wilt Chamberlin, Larry Bird

8. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball  position players in history

Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Ted Williams, Mike Trout

9. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball pitchers in history

Walter Johnson, Sandy Koufax, Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddux

10. Name your Mt. Rushmore of hockey players in history.

Wayne Gretzky, Some Canadian dude, Some Russian dude, Some Swedish dude 

Otto Graham,John Unitas,Tom Brady, Peyton Manning.

2. Name your Mt Rushmore of  Running Backs in NFL history

Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders

3. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Wide Receivers in NFL history

Dante Lavelli, Paul Warfield , Jerry Rice , Chris Carter

4. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Middle Linebackers in NFL history

finger Butkus , Ray Nitschke , George Bednarik, Ray Lewis

5. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Pass rushers  (DE/OLB)  in NFL history

Reggie White,Art Donovan,Gino Marchetti,Bruce Smith.

6. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Head Coaches in NFL history

Paul Brown , Vince Lombardi, George Halas, Chuck Knoll

7. Name your Mt. Rushmore of NBA  players in history.

Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Wilt Chamberlain , Bill Russell

8. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball  position players in history

Babe Ruth, Loue Gerhig ,Joe Dimaggio , Ted Williams.

9. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball pitchers in history

Sandy Koufax,Bob Feller , Nolan Ryan , Bob Gibson

10. Name your Mt. Rushmore of hockey players in history.

Lemieux,Gretzky, Bobby Orr , Bobby hull

@tour2ma said:

Thinkin' on this one a little.... going with 5-tool guys...

8. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball  position players in history Mantle, Mays, Clemente and Trout

While he is no Lou Brock or Rickey Henderson, people may be surprised to know that Babe Ruth stole 123 bases in his career,  and despite his portly appearance, the dude could run.

AND....he actually could bunt and had 113 sacrifices in his career.

8. Name your Mt. Rushmore of baseball  position players in history Mantle, Mays, Clemente and Trout

2. Name your Mt Rushmore of  Running Backs in NFL history. JB, Sanders, Campbell and Bo

3. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Wide Receivers in NFL history. Rice, Warfield, Berry and Largent

4. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Middle Linebackers in NFL history. Lewis, Butkis, Singletary and Lanier

5. Name your Mt. Rushmore of  Pass rushers  (DE/OLB)  in NFL history. LT, Smith, White (Reggie) and JJ Watt

6. Name your Mt. Rushmore of Head Coaches in NFL history. Shula, Lombardi, Brown and Belichik

10. Name your Mt. Rushmore of hockey players in history. Gretzky, Howe, Dryden and Messier

Bart Starr.     Starr won 5 titles.   Only OG with his 7 and Brady with his 5 match or exceed Starr.

Then there are the "Four Title QBs"   not listed by anyone here yet:   Terry Bradshaw, and Sid Luckman.  (The 4 or more title club includes only 6 QBs:  OG/Brady/Montana/Bradshaw/Luckman/Starr)