For whatever reason, he only showed flashes of the decisive, on-time thrower we saw in preseason... when there was no pressure. That was the difference between he and Baker. That was why he turned into a runner all too often.

@ghoolie said:

Fine, BUT................he wasn't running for his life because of the O line. Baker was perfectly fine with the same line. Buffalo went to the playoffs in spite of BlowRod, not because of him. Don't be surprised if he falls to # 5 on the depth charts, the toilet.

He's on the final year of his contract Tom. We can let him leave as a FA next year with no further cap hit. Remains to be seen what he can get on the open market.  It certainly won't be the $16 million were paying him to be the most expensive backup QB in the NFL.    

BTW, his flaws were duly noted before the season started. Tends to hold onto the ball too long (hence the sacks) and won't take chances to avoid interceptions. Didn't realize below average arm- cost us a couple TDs when he underthrew Gordon and Callaway that would have been certain touchdowns. 

@hoorta said:

He was running for his life but he wasn't really running, got hurt on a sack. He didn't win those games in Buffalo by accident. His stats with the Bills suggested he was a slightly above average qb. Some of us were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But after watching two different tape breakdowns of his crappy play against the Jets, all doubt is removed. Welcome to backup status Tyrod- like you were with the Ravens, you won't get hurt, and it pays well. 

Fine, BUT................he wasn't running for his life because of the O line. Baker was perfectly fine with the same line. Buffalo went to the playoffs in spite of BlowRod, not because of him. Don't be surprised if he falls to # 5 on the depth charts, the toilet.

@ghoolie said:

It is amazing Mah Nikka, There is about 400,000 pounds of bullschidt posts blasting me for calling Tyrod just another run-first,  Black Tarkenton who not only would stink, but would get hurt early on because his run-first dullard of a brain would have him getting hit when he should have thrown the ball. This guy was so obvious total crap that I swear to you I believed the only reason he got support on TBB is because the guys were running a parody. You called ryor getting hurt by week 4, I believe. THe dumb bastard didn't even get that far.

He was running for his life but he wasn't really running, got hurt on a sack. He didn't win those games in Buffalo by accident. His stats with the Bills suggested he was a slightly above average qb. Some of us were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But after watching two different tape breakdowns of his crappy play against the Jets, all doubt is removed. Welcome to backup status Tyrod- like you were with the Ravens, you won't get hurt, and it pays well. 

I love it.

@dutch-oven said:

I believe the term "cabbage fart" originally comes from the Old Testament. 

I could be wrong, but I believe Job mentioned having a bad case of them. 

You may be right:

 They are as stubble before the wind, and as chaff that the storm carrieth away. 2

@the-gipper said:

It comes from the works of Bernard Cornwell.  You may have heard it in the TV series The Last Kingdom.

I believe the term "cabbage fart" originally comes from the Old Testament. 

I could be wrong, but I believe Job mentioned having a bad case of them. 

@tour2ma said:

Assuming it doesn't result in a 3 and out...

Yep. Not much worse than a hurry-up offense going 3 and out. Lol. 

Anyway, the point was that Baker entering the game in the 2 minute drill likely helped him, and it wouldn't surprise me if we went to hurry-up sporadically through the game. Baker definitely likes it, and it's obvious he has control of the offense. 

@nickers said:

Doesnt ring a bell...

@the-gipper said:

It comes from the works of Bernard Cornwell.  You may have heard it in the TV series The Last Kingdom.

Doesnt ring a bell...

Why are you discussing slow starts? Baker has never had a slow start? Phuck dudes, as soon as Baker took a snap the offense lit right up.

You guys STILL don't get it. It is NOT THE OFFENSE that starts slaw....................... it is BLACK TARKENTON / Stink Rod / RG4 that has been STARTING THE OFFENSE SLOWLY. You guys STILL don't get it........................... IT'S THE QB -  QB - QB - QB   THE QB.....IS THE OFFENSE.......................

What the offense did under this jackoff Tyrod is NOT what the offense will do with Baker Mayfield.

Seriously, worrying about this offense starting slowly is like saying the Browns offense with McDonald was identical to what it was with Kosar. Jesus, for all the intelligence on this board, at times the discussion is idiotic beyond my most nutty flaming posts.

Biitches.................quit the negativity already. DUDES............................ THIS IS A AGE OF BAKER MAYFIELD...........................What the hell are you people thinking by attaching what WAS, with WHAT IS?????????

If Tyrod Taylor was given a Lambo to drive, he would keep it in first gear................. NO BALLS.............NO SMARTS.....................

Put Baker in the Lambo and watch it quickly roar off into the horizon.

New Day, people. New day.

@tour2ma said:

Worrying about the D's time on the field, but want the hurry-up O? Bit of an incongruity there...

I don't expect a slow start starting this week.

No incongruity whatsoever. Regardless of how fast the offense moves, assuming it moves down the field even a LITTLE, it's still providing more rest than a 3 and out. 

@nickers said:

I remember it said in a movie.. I just can't remember what movie it was from.. It sounds like something Walter Matthau would say..

It comes from the works of Bernard Cornwell.  You may have heard it in the TV series The Last Kingdom.

@the-gipper said:

Do you know where it comes from?

I remember it said in a movie.. I just can't remember what movie it was from.. It sounds like something Walter Matthau would say..

@nickers said:

No.. as far as I know... There are no copyrights to that particular quote.. So I'm not worried about any infringements

Do you know where it comes from?

@jiggins7919 said:

The slow starts are GOING to get us killed soon. We've been lucky enough to contain the opposition, somewhat, in the first half, but in 2 of the 3 games we've had our defense on the field WAY too much. In the Saints game, we actually played with a lead. That didn't go well, and a large part of the blame does go to Tyrod. If you're playing a potential playoff team on the road, and you have a lead with 5 minutes to go WITH the ball, you simply MUST be able to drain the clock down and seal the victory. You can't leave it up to the defense EVERY time. We had a two point lead, 5 minutes to go, and Tyrod didn't just fail to milk the clock, he threw a freaking PICK. 

You know what I'd do if I was Todd Haley? I'd START the game with Baker in the hurry-up offense. I really believe that Baker coming into the game with 1:45 until half time helped him tremendously. No time to think, just play. Many people may believe it's insanity to ask a rookie to start off running the no-huddle offense from the get-go, in his first road start, and normally I'd agree. But I'm not sure Baker is a normal rookie. It might help him find his groove, much like it did last week. We shall see! 

Worrying about the D's time on the field, but want the hurry-up O? Bit of an incongruity there...

I don't expect a slow start starting this week.

@the-gipper said:

You schtealing my schtick?

No.. as far as I know... There are no copyrights to that particular quote.. So I'm not worried about any infringements

@nickers said:

Or even worth a cabbage fart...

You schtealing my schtick?

@jiggins7919 said:

The slow starts are GOING to get us killed soon. We've been lucky enough to contain the opposition, somewhat, in the first half, but in 2 of the 3 games we've had our defense on the field WAY too much. In the Saints game, we actually played with a lead. That didn't go well, and a large part of the blame does go to Tyrod. If you're playing a potential playoff team on the road, and you have a lead with 5 minutes to go WITH the ball, you simply MUST be able to drain the clock down and seal the victory. You can't leave it up to the defense EVERY time. We had a two point lead, 5 minutes to go, and Tyrod didn't just fail to milk the clock, he threw a freaking PICK. 

You know what I'd do if I was Todd Haley? I'd START the game with Baker in the hurry-up offense. I really believe that Baker coming into the game with 1:45 until half time helped him tremendously. No time to think, just play. Many people may believe it's insanity to ask a rookie to start off running the no-huddle offense from the get-go, in his first road start, and normally I'd agree. But I'm not sure Baker is a normal rookie. It might help him find his groove, much like it did last week. We shall see! 

I like the hurry up defense. It could set a nice tone. Let them receive, a quick three and out with our fresh D and a long drive not letting them think.

@thenew23 said:

QB play, slow starts, and very poor STs. If these 3 are improved, which hopefully Baker (and our new K) can accomplish, then we should see far more Ws than we have been accustomed to seeing.

Hopefully will also help with TOP, which will help the 2nd half D. 

Surprisingly, doing ok with penalties and scoring in the red zone.

Getting Ogbah and Kirksey back should really help, and hopefully help our red zone D - which really needs to tighten up...

The slow starts are GOING to get us killed soon. We've been lucky enough to contain the opposition, somewhat, in the first half, but in 2 of the 3 games we've had our defense on the field WAY too much. In the Saints game, we actually played with a lead. That didn't go well, and a large part of the blame does go to Tyrod. If you're playing a potential playoff team on the road, and you have a lead with 5 minutes to go WITH the ball, you simply MUST be able to drain the clock down and seal the victory. You can't leave it up to the defense EVERY time. We had a two point lead, 5 minutes to go, and Tyrod didn't just fail to milk the clock, he threw a freaking PICK. 

You know what I'd do if I was Todd Haley? I'd START the game with Baker in the hurry-up offense. I really believe that Baker coming into the game with 1:45 until half time helped him tremendously. No time to think, just play. Many people may believe it's insanity to ask a rookie to start off running the no-huddle offense from the get-go, in his first road start, and normally I'd agree. But I'm not sure Baker is a normal rookie. It might help him find his groove, much like it did last week. We shall see! 

@ghoolie said:

It is amazing Mah Nikka, There is about 400,000 pounds of bullschidt posts blasting me for calling Tyrod just another run-first,  Black Tarkenton who not only would stink, but would get hurt early on because his run-first dullard of a brain would have him getting hit when he should have thrown the ball. This guy was so obvious total crap that I swear to you I believed the only reason he got support on TBB is because the guys were running a parody. You called ryor getting hurt by week 4, I believe. THe dumb bastard didn't even get that far.

Yup... In buffalo he had a bit of luck.. But then many forget he got pulled for schidt performances.. I have said it.. you have said it,, Rich has said it.. "It's the QB " "It's always the  muthaphuckin QB".. "Teams go as they're QB goes"... U gotta no QB?.. U gotta no wins.. its dat fukken simple.. He got hurt by week 3.. I think We both said/agreed , it or he , would go no further than 4 games.. This didnt require Kreskin like abilities to know this was gonna happen.... It's what the little dung beetle is.. I say Dung Beetle because thats what the little mudda fukkah looks like with the pig skin , running around back there.... I remember when we traded for him.. My heart just sank... This kid Baker comes in there.. No reps with the 1's and transmogrified this team into a professional looking team the instant he stepped onto the field.. The whole envionment changed.. The lineman guarded, protected and pulled when needed.. Baker called plays.. audibled.. and led them to victory... I haven't had this much fun since Kosar was slingin the rock...

@nickers said:

Or even worth a cabbage fart...

It is amazing Mah Nikka, There is about 400,000 pounds of bullschidt posts blasting me for calling Tyrod just another run-first,  Black Tarkenton who not only would stink, but would get hurt early on because his run-first dullard of a brain would have him getting hit when he should have thrown the ball. This guy was so obvious total crap that I swear to you I believed the only reason he got support on TBB is because the guys were running a parody. You called ryor getting hurt by week 4, I believe. THe dumb bastard didn't even get that far.

@ghoolie said:

I still can't believe that the bulk of you thought Black Tarkenton #3 would be anything but total schidt for us. That guy was never worth a good schidt.

Or even worth a cabbage fart...