@unsympathetic said:

Doubtful. This year's DL [both edge and interior] class is otherworldly.  Top-20, sure.

My top 7 is some order of Ed Oliver / Bosa / Clelin Ferrell / the Bama OT / The Other Josh Allen / Rashaan Gary / Raekwon Davis.  Mix and match but I bet nobody skill goes before 8.

I do not believe Haskins will nor should he come out. So he would not/should not be in the top of this draft.

But, if for some reason he would declare:   Hello! McFly!  Is anybody home?    He is a fuyucking QB.  Of course a damned QB is going to go high if the NFL scouts believe he has the goods. 

@the-gipper said:

I think the NFL scouts will be drooling over this guy and he could likely be a top five pick when he comes out if not number one overall. 

Doubtful. This year's DL [both edge and interior] class is otherworldly.  Top-20, sure.

My top 7 is some order of Ed Oliver / Bosa / Clelin Ferrell / the Bama OT / The Other Josh Allen / Rashaan Gary / Raekwon Davis.  Mix and match but I bet nobody skill goes before 8.

@mld-woody said:

I'd say your opinion isn't as good of a resource as PFF grades and that draft stock != how good of a QB someone is in college

Well....it isn't my opinion....it is the opinion of NFL scouts. 

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Ranking-college-footballs-10-most-disappointing-teams-123058318

https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2018/10/06/dwayne-haskins-nfl-draft-college-football-ohio-state/

But, by all means, list the grades that PFF has put out for  college QBs.

@the-gipper said:

Well how about this for a resource. I think the NFL scouts will be drooling over this guy and he could likely be a top five pick when he comes out if not number one overall. 

I'd say your opinion isn't as good of a resource as PFF grades and that draft stock != how good of a QB someone is in college

@mld-woody said:

It's great. And Haskins is a very good player. But there's a reason why PFF doesn't just grade players based on the flashy stats that the casual fan sees. A whole host of variables matter. Context matters. 

Well how about this for a resource. I think the NFL scouts will be drooling over this guy and he could likely be a top five pick when he comes out if not number one overall. 

@the-gipper said:

Six touchdown passes in one game how’s that for a statistic. 

It's great. And Haskins is a very good player. But there's a reason why PFF doesn't just grade players based on the flashy stats that the casual fan sees. A whole host of variables matter. Context matters. 

@mld-woody said:

I have on idea, I didn't bring up the PFF grades.

I take it there is that difference between "what my eyes see", "what my heart wants" and "what in depth analysis shows". They aren't infallible or anything, but I'd  take  their evaluation over what a fan sees on TV.

Six touchdown passes in one game how’s that for a statistic. 

@dutch-oven said:

Speaking of, shouldn't you be fellating your Orange God over on the political board?

From what I hear, your posts over there are even more useless than yours here, MAGA groupie.  

u dont need to.hear it second hand, go over and see for urself. He's been better lately tho.....now its west side taking the majority first team reps. 

@mld-woody said:

I have on idea, I didn't bring up the PFF grades.

I take it there is that difference between "what my eyes see", "what my heart wants" and "what in depth analysis shows". They aren't infallible or anything, but I'd  take  their evaluation over what a fan sees on TV.

Analytics and stats aren't everything.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Woody is in a fever pitch about his boy friend Peppers.  LMAO.

Speaking of, shouldn't you be fellating your Orange God over on the political board?

From what I hear, your posts over there are even more useless than yours here, MAGA groupie.  

@the-gipper said:

Lets see these stats the put Haskins as only the 5th best Big Ten QB.  ....and then I will quote Benjamin Disraeli:  "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics".

I have on idea, I didn't bring up the PFF grades.

I take it there is that difference between "what my eyes see", "what my heart wants" and "what in depth analysis shows". They aren't infallible or anything, but I'd  take  their evaluation over what a fan sees on TV.

@mld-woody said:

And that's bad because...  Your eye test? 

You've watched every snap of every other QB in the Big Ten? 

How can "too much information" be bad when it comes to statistically and analytics?

Lets see these stats the put Haskins as only the 5th best Big Ten QB.  ....and then I will quote Benjamin Disraeli:  "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics".

@mld-woody said:

And that's bad because...  Your eye test? 

You've watched every snap of every other QB in the Big Ten? 

How can "too much information" be bad when it comes to statistically and analytics?

Actually I have at least of Brian lewerke Shea Patterson Alex hornibrook Nathan Stanley Peyton Ramsey and Clayton Thorson obviously Haskins as well but you asked for other quarterbacks in the Big Ten. Forgot trace mcsorley.

Also if statistics and analytics were everything we would have turned this team around before we got a football eye test guy in as our GM. Sashi did a great job acquiring draft capital and freeing up cap space but they needed Dorsey to evaluate talent not based on statistics and Analytics. 

Edit I can also say I love Baker and the way he is playing but there is no way he's playing the 6th best out of all the quarterbacks in the NFL

@bjh2130 said:

And too much information can sometimes be a bad thing as in them having Dwayne Haskins as the 5th best quarterback in the Big Ten

And that's bad because...  Your eye test? 

You've watched every snap of every other QB in the Big Ten? 

How can "too much information" be bad when it comes to statistically and analytics?

@mld-woody said:

No I can't stand baseball

But I know players don't bat at 0.320%

If they are the Indians in this postseason, they might. 

@the-gipper said:

You know what I meant.  Like I said, have you never calculated a batting average?

No I can't stand baseball

But I know players don't bat at 0.320%

@mld-woody said:

I think something like 30 of the 32 teams pay PFF and work with them closely for advanced analytics.

A lot goes into their final numbers

And too much information can sometimes be a bad thing as in them having Dwayne Haskins as the 5th best quarterback in the Big Ten

@mld-woody said:

Sly little edit there Gip... I see you changed your original post lol

You know what I meant.  Like I said, have you never calculated a batting average?

@mld-woody said:

Sly little edit there Gip... I see you changed your original post lol

@tour2ma said:

I think you are underestimating Gipper...

I, however, never underestimate your fecklessness.

A lot goes into their final numbers

@tiamat63 said:

Uhh... yeah.   It's public access there, homie.  

Again homie they still have no clue what the defensive scheme calls for them to do in certain situations. Just because is Public Access homie doesn't mean that they use it. I was asking if they did like maybe if they have it written somewhere that they use the all 22 like in their info or faqs

Edit. Found it homie. So it seems like these initial rankings don't really take into account the all 22. It seems like the first run to put out the grades on Monday is just watching the broadcast View. So my next question is does anyone pay for the actual service?

Each week, grades are subject to change while we run through our extensive review process including All-22 tape runs and coaching audit, so you may notice discrepancies among grades published in earlier articles compared with those in the Player Grades tool until grade lock each week.

@bjh2130 said:

Do they get the all-22 game film?

Uhh... yeah.   It's public access there, homie.  

@mld-woody said:

How about the other game this year Where he had the highest PFF score on the defense?

Oh, Gip Gip Gip. You've been so wrong on so many things over the years that I don't think I could value your opinion on something like this any less. 

Coupled with the fact that he had those two High games and his average is still only 61 it means he had some really bad games according to PFF which again already said I don't agree with I trust my eyes.