@calfoxwc said:

 like leftwing marxist commie sombeitches.

and yet every time jesus speaks in the bible, if we re to beleive this woven tale of bs, he sounds like Guevera. 

weird

God ALLOWS evil on earth - we have free choice. If God made everything perfect here on earth, Heaven would be here.

So, God doesn't sanction the violence and evil in this world - it's that God isn't a dictator to keep the peace. He allows us free choice,

and the evil one works evil. Some people use their free choice to choose evil - like leftwing marxist commie sombeitches.

I'm not an expert...

@jbluhm86 said:

The fact that you, at the very least, have  children and  grandchildren of  your own, perhaps including daughters and  granddaughters - and can look at them and love them while simultaneously rationalizing and condoning the wholesale slaughter, rape and sexual slavery of men, women and children under Divine warrant is terrifying. 

The sleep of reason brings forth monsters.

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I've been thinking about this Jblum and as an atheist your point is valid. Why did God sanction the murder of not just enemy combatants (which most agree is justifiable) but women and children as well?  At first I deferred to some articles from those who have researched the historical background which many times in scriptures having the history gives a better explanation. But I was not satisfied with the answers. The 800 pound gorilla in the room is always God sanctioned the killing of innocent women and children. Remember this is God who gave Moses the 10 commandments which states thou shall not murder.

 Not being satisfied with any historical context I looked to what God said about it in the bible. God said if any of the inhabitants were left alive they would teach Israel to go astray. We know that Israel did not drive out all the inhabitants of the promised land and we know Israel many times did get led astray and had a terrible problem of backsliding and leaving God for other gods and that is well brought out in the bible. So what God said would happen if they didn't clear out the inhabitants did in fact happen. My reading of the bible is that God was taking a people for himself (Israel) out of whom would come the Messiah for the world. The only satisfactory answer for me is that it had to be done. A good modern example would be the United States dropping the Atomic bomb on Hiroshima. Even though we dropped leaflets telling the Japanese to leave the city many didn't and we know many innocent Japanese were killed..Were we justified in using the atomic bomb? I think we were. It is estimated that millions of lives were saved by ending the war quickly. The inhabitants of the promised land should have left. Right now we see through a dark glass. We don't know the whole picture. My belief is what was done in the promised land by Israel was something that had to be done. It may not be the best answer but it is the only one that satisfies me.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

If God commands, you do, no questions asked.

Actually you are spot on with what God demanded of Israel in the Old Covenant. This is OBF's synopsis of the bible message:

1. (need of a mediator) Job is the oldest book in the bible . Job  states he knows  that no mater how hard he can try he can never make himself right in God's eyes and wishes there was a mediator who could bridge the gap. But there was none.

2. Abraham finds God.  While the rest of the world in Abraham's time were worshiping animals and statues of creatures Job knew instinctively that there was one true God who created the universe and sought out this true God. God tested Abraham and told him to sacrifice his only son Isaac. When Abraham proved he was willing to sacrifice his only son, God stopped him. This is significant because God was going to sacrifice His only Son later on a cross.  His Son would be that mediator Job talked of needing. Then God and Abraham made a covenant. That covenant would make Abraham and his descendants servants of God. 

3. After God delivered Israel from Egypt God took Abraham's descendants to the promised land.  From these descendants would come the Messiah, the mediator who would bridge the gap between God and man. One who would be sinless yet could identify with sinful mankind. 

4. Jesus comes into the world and was rejected by His own people. (prophesied in the bible). The prophecies in the bible were that the Messiah would come as a suffering servant who would take the sins of His people and be rejected by His people. The bible also says the Messiah would come as the kings of kings to rule. This can only mean the Messiah comes twice. He came the first time as a suffering servant and died on the cross and was rejected by Israel. Now Christians (and Jews who missed His first coming) await his second coming as the king of kings. The first coveanant was with God and Abraham and the Jews were the beneficiaries of that covenant. It gave them the status of servants of Jehovah. Jesus makes a new covenant between God and Himself and the beneficiaries are all who make him him Lord of their lives. This better covenant does not make believers servants of Jehovah but sons and daughters of God.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Atheists are such lonely creatures.  

who's an "actual" atheist here?

@clevfan4life said:

heh? do u think i think star wars actually went down a long time ago in a........

@oldbrownsfan said:

Says the Star Wars guy..

heh? do u think i think star wars actually went down a long time ago in a........

@clevfan4life said:

its amazing to me how 3000 yr old propaganda and fairy tales can still enrapture the minds of modern men. 

#darkside

Says the Star Wars guy..

#darkside

@oldbrownsfan said:

The Jews at the time knew a lot about slavery and mistreatment having been slaves to Egypt for 400 hundred years. It was a brutal period of time thousands of years ago. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/jewish/were-jews-ever-really-slaves-in-egypt-1.5208519

and that was written by a jew. A jew who knows his sht and u derstands that a civilization like egypt, who kept records..often very meticulous...and had the technical expertise to build the pyramids....this civilization woukd have taken note when ~2m of their people got the fuk out of bed obe morning and when loping off into the sinai.

Goebels certainly studied his predecessors, and ironically used what he learned against them

@mld-woody said:

The children and pregnant women chose to fight???????

Abortion of unborn children is murder, Woody, unless it's comes from the tip of the sword from one of God's chosen and under his divine supervision.

@oldbrownsfan said:

Just pointed out that we don't have a problem today with terrorists using old testament scriptures to justify it. The reason for that is those scriptures in the Old Testament are specific to a time and place and not open ended like the koran.

There didn't have to be a slaughter. They had a choice to clear out or fight. They chose to fight. Big mistake.

The children and pregnant women chose to fight???????

@jbluhm86 said:

Again, if you'd have been paying attention to this thread, you would have seen exactly what my opinion is on this religious nonsense. Your failure to comprehend that is your own problem, not mine.

The fact that you, at the very least, have  children and  grandchildren of  your own, perhaps including daughters and  granddaughters - and can look at them and love them while simultaneously rationalizing and condoning the wholesale slaughter, rape and sexual slavery of men, women and children under Divine warrant is terrifying. 

The sleep of reason brings forth monsters.

The Jews at the time knew a lot about slavery and mistreatment having been slaves to Egypt for 400 hundred years. It was a brutal period of time thousands of years ago. Now they were returning to their promised land and it was time for the homesteaders to leave. When they chose to fight Israel they sealed their own fate. They made their own fateful decision.

You brought up Jesus and the Old Covenant being intertwined. I couldn't agree more.  I see Jesus all through the Old Covenant.

@calfoxwc said:

I meant political ATTACK. You lefties tend to attack other's opinions, rather than put up your own opinions in contrast.

Your classmates do the same thing - attack, and rarely offer up your own opinions on matters initially.

Again, if you'd have been paying attention to this thread, you would have seen exactly what my opinion is on this religious nonsense. Your failure to comprehend that is your own problem, not mine.

@oldbrownsfan said:

Just pointed out that we don't have a problem today with terrorists using old testament scriptures to justify it. The reason for that is those scriptures in the Old Testament are specific to a time and place and not open ended like the koran.

There didn't have to be a slaughter. They had a choice to clear out or fight. They chose to fight. Big mistake.

The fact that you, at the very least, have  children and  grandchildren of  your own, perhaps including daughters and  granddaughters - and can look at them and love them while simultaneously rationalizing and condoning the wholesale slaughter, rape and sexual slavery of men, women and children under Divine warrant is terrifying. 

The sleep of reason brings forth monsters.

@oldbrownsfan said:

Just pointed out that we don't have a problem today with terrorists using old testament scriptures to justify it.

Who the Shmuck doesn't have a "problem" with it?   Like, seriously.   Point out one sane and rational individual that just randomly doesn't have a problem.

I'll wait...

@diehardbrownsfan said:

If God commands, you do, no questions asked.

4/10.   Your best work is when it isn't obvious.  

@mld-woody said:

So it's ok to kill pregnant women and children as long as God sets an end date for the slaughter?

Just pointed out that we don't have a problem today with terrorists using old testament scriptures to justify it. The reason for that is those scriptures in the Old Testament are specific to a time and place and not open ended like the koran.

There didn't have to be a slaughter. They had a choice to clear out or fight. They chose to fight. Big mistake.

@oldbrownsfan said:

One difference is the scriptures in the Old Testament condoning violence are time and area limited. They applied only to taking the promised land thousands of years ago. They were not open ended like some of the verses in the koran. "Kill the infidels where you find them" for example in the koran is believed by radical Islam to still apply today, not just something from long ago. There are other open ended verses of violence as well in the koran that radical Islam uses to justify violence today.

So it's ok to kill pregnant women and children as long as God sets an end date for the slaughter?

@diehardbrownsfan said:

https://mises.org/wire/nazis-were-not-marxists-they-were-socialists

i gen respect things at mises, but what they're describing is managed capitalism...not marxism lite. What u need to understand about mises.org isvthat they think america was too socialist. They dont consider anything left of the private ownership of everything, to be "capitalist". Which means the instant u form any kind of govt, no matter how small...u've dipped ur toes in the pool of commie.

An old friend of mine is a reg contributor there, so ive geard their dreans of a compketwly govt free society where someone who passes by ur house on the street or a plane that passes over ur property....no matter how high it flies, owes u a microtransaction. It makes a rational person get a bit dizzy. But without a govt and a tax pool, who pays to resurface roads? well, ur literally getting metered wherever u go and walk in this mises wonderland. Its insane

@mld-woody said:

Cal you just reghse to recognize beliefs that are different than your own...

Woody, I recognize them all the time. I just won't agree with them.

You don't agree with them, either, so?