@hx214 said:

Meh. I never bought into penalties being a lack of coaching. 

Freaking NFL players that don't know how to line up on the right side of the ball?  NFL linemen that false start?  At this point, you can't teach stupid. 

Penalties like holding and pass interference are a 50/50 call.  Linemen hold on every play, it's just whether they call it.  DB's have refs in one game that call PI for touching a guy, then the next game they can hang all over people... 

KC is the most penalized team in the NFL.

There's an old saying... "You get what you ask for consistently."

Williams has made technique and pre-snap discipline a point of emphasis. You can bet he's asking/ demanding we practice like he wants us to play.

You can tell... but then players have to think. But, if you also practice, then the proper tech is ingrained.

Avoiding Offensive holding is a matter of knowing where to grab and when to let go. But to grab without drawing a flag, you have to be in position.

Both sound simple, but both are incredibly hard in live action. That's why they have to be practiced.

@hx214 said:

Nope, never heard that phrase before.

What does practicing intensely have to do with penalties?  How do you teach a player not to block someone in the back on a punt return after they know the rule and they have heard every coach they have ever had tell them not to? At what point is that on the brain of the player that is playing the game? 

How do you teach an NFL DLman that makes millions of dollars to not line up offsides in a game?  I guess their pop warner football coach never covered that brain buster.

So.... by your theory,  Andy Reid is a terrible coach that must not have his team practice well because he has the most penalized team in the league. Got it.

The Chiefs are 9 and 1 btw. 

Btw, Reid has the qweefs practice as much as allowed. 

@hx214 said:

Nope, never heard that phrase before.

What does practicing intensely have to do with penalties?  How do you teach a player not to block someone in the back on a punt return after they know the rule and they have heard every coach they have ever had tell them not to? At what point is that on the brain of the player that is playing the game? 

How do you teach an NFL DLman that makes millions of dollars to not line up offsides in a game?  I guess their pop warner football coach never covered that brain buster.

So.... by your theory,  Andy Reid is a terrible coach that must not have his team practice well because he has the most penalized team in the league. Got it.

The Chiefs are 9 and 1 btw. 

You don’t believe in practice? WOW!!!!   Sounds silly as all get out. Just do it,....LOL?

@flyingfooldoug said:

Ever hear the phrase.... practice makes perfect? Every sport practices intensely. To do otherwise does teach stupid. Coach is just another word for teacher. Practice matters and shows. Work on weak areas and they get better. Like magic!

Nope, never heard that phrase before.

What does practicing intensely have to do with penalties?  How do you teach a player not to block someone in the back on a punt return after they know the rule and they have heard every coach they have ever had tell them not to? At what point is that on the brain of the player that is playing the game? 

How do you teach an NFL DLman that makes millions of dollars to not line up offsides in a game?  I guess their pop warner football coach never covered that brain buster.

So.... by your theory,  Andy Reid is a terrible coach that must not have his team practice well because he has the most penalized team in the league. Got it.

The Chiefs are 9 and 1 btw. 

@hx214 said:

Meh. I never bought into penalties being a lack of coaching. 

Freaking NFL players that don't know how to line up on the right side of the ball?  NFL linemen that false start?  At this point, you can't teach stupid. 

Penalties like holding and pass interference are a 50/50 call.  Linemen hold on every play, it's just whether they call it.  DB's have refs in one game that call PI for touching a guy, then the next game they can hang all over people... 

KC is the most penalized team in the NFL.

Ever hear the phrase.... practice makes perfect? Every sport practices intensely. To do otherwise does teach stupid. Coach is just another word for teacher. Practice matters and shows. Work on weak areas and they get better. Like magic!

@flyingfooldoug said:

They’ve actually been practicing fundamentals and it shows. Less penalties, more points. Who sez practice doesn’t matter? Hue sez

Meh. I never bought into penalties being a lack of coaching. 

Freaking NFL players that don't know how to line up on the right side of the ball?  NFL linemen that false start?  At this point, you can't teach stupid. 

Penalties like holding and pass interference are a 50/50 call.  Linemen hold on every play, it's just whether they call it.  DB's have refs in one game that call PI for touching a guy, then the next game they can hang all over people... 

KC is the most penalized team in the NFL.

@hoorta said:

Nice thing about the Falcons game was Baker was back on target with his throws. 12 completions in a row means no drops by the WRs. 

They’ve actually been practicing fundamentals and it shows. Less penalties, more points. Who sez practice doesn’t matter? Hue sez

Mike

I think Higgins is the key to our air attack at present.

@hoorta said:

Nice thing about the Falcons game was Baker was back on target with his throws. 12 completions in a row means no drops by the WRs. 

Man that was like watching the twilight zone , unfold. Right in front of your eyes...It's uncanny when you think.. He didn't get the 1's all through otas , TC and any organized deals... Imagine him next year with a seasoned Higgins... a more dependable pass catcher in Callaway... I would like to think we havent seen the last of him this season.. Thats a hella lotta talent in one seasons draft... Nice haul for Dorsey...

@the-gipper said:

Most likely, I agree. Especially now with Higgins back and playing......and with an OC who seems like he wants to spread the ball around.

Nice thing about the Falcons game was Baker was back on target with his throws. 12 completions in a row means no drops by the WRs. 

A new concept to the browns the last two years....

Zombo said:

I'm going to give Dorseey credit for signings he didn't do too, because this team didn't need a Dez or a Pryor ... They needed a Kitchens

Freddie has done a nice job of mixing Calloway, Higgins and Perriman into the offense and allowing Baker to get them all involved. We also did some nice three tight end sets ... Reminds me of some of what Shanihan did when he was here, but now we have a much better QB in Baker over Hoyer.

Calloway played 74% of the snaps last week, and watching him blocking off his man and directing traffic on Chubb's 92 yard run was a thing of beauty. He doesn't seem like the diva type, so when his head catches up with his talent he is going to be a terrific player for us.

I think we will add another part in the offseason, whether it is the draft or free agency, but getting these young guys playing time has been invaluable, and seeing Baker develop with them has been awesome.

Zombo

Those other parts can certainly be along the OL.....and at each level of the defense.  

4 picks in rounds 1,2,3.    Wouldn't surprise me if they go  OL, DB, LB, DL  (not necessarily in that order) WR may be only like 5th priority.

Remember....Dorsey took Corbett high in round 2.   I am sure that he still wants to see what this guy can do.

@flyingfooldoug said:

I think we stand pat and go for the draft or FA. Unless we get hammered at the position with injuries. 

Most likely, I agree. Especially now with Higgins back and playing......and with an OC who seems like he wants to spread the ball around.

Freddie has done a nice job of mixing Calloway, Higgins and Perriman into the offense and allowing Baker to get them all involved. We also did some nice three tight end sets ... Reminds me of some of what Shanihan did when he was here, but now we have a much better QB in Baker over Hoyer.

Calloway played 74% of the snaps last week, and watching him blocking off his man and directing traffic on Chubb's 92 yard run was a thing of beauty. He doesn't seem like the diva type, so when his head catches up with his talent he is going to be a terrific player for us.

I think we will add another part in the offseason, whether it is the draft or free agency, but getting these young guys playing time has been invaluable, and seeing Baker develop with them has been awesome.

Zombo

@londonbrown said:

Some names I quite like here are Ununwa, Funchess and John Brown

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/wide-receiver/

 WR of the LAC, Tyrell Williams is having a nice quiet season with Rivers..the Guy can run & is a nice tall target being used outside in redzone..5 TD's on few targets with a 19.1 yard/catch..I like Ununwa also..

@flyingfooldoug said:

I think we stand pat and go for the draft or FA. Unless we get hammered at the position with injuries. 

Some names I quite like here are Ununwa, Funchess and John Brown

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/wide-receiver/

@the-gipper said:

The question is:    Are we desperate to bring in another WR......or are the Browns willing to go with the young talent they have, like Ratley etc.,  and/or willing to wait on the return of  Higgins.

But....if they are desperate to bring in someone else.......who would be the best person to bring in who is available.

We know 2 names:  Dez Bryant and now  Terrelle Pryor.    Who else may be out there if the Browns do decide to go that route?

Or, is it a case of just waiting for the draft next year and try to snag a top prospect?

Here is a list:

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019WR.php

I think we stand pat and go for the draft or FA. Unless we get hammered at the position with injuries. 

@londonbrown said:

Now been cut by the Bills after two weeks, if a WR can't stay on that Bills roster then well.....

I know some don't like old players being brought up, they're gone now, but this one pleases me. Him and his agent acted like arseholes with us, been downhill for TP ever since

I never blamed TP. I always thought he chose a really bad agent to represent what he had to offer.

I know some don't like old players being brought up, they're gone now, but this one pleases me. Him and his agent acted like arseholes with us, been downhill for TP ever since