@stinkhole said:

That's debatable.  True, I've heard Bandwagon fans described as FRAKS...jumping from frontrunner team to frontrunner

We can agree that a fairweather fan remains loyal to their team,  but only come out when their team is winning.

Bandwagon fans however disown their team, but unlike a FRAK they will not pledge allegiance to another.  Would rather stop watching football....will jump back on the bandwagon when their team starts winning.

You've heard it before from both browns and bengals fans  "I'm done with this team"...to which your reply is "don't let the door hit ya".

Every Steeler FRAK I know are former browns fans. Shame on you guys.

I think the one description you make is a Fairweather fans. And then your last sentence absolutely. 

@the-gipper said:

Yes, basically the same thing.  Its just that being called a FRAK seems much more harsh and disparaging than being called a Bandwagonner....as it should be.

That's debatable.  True, I've heard Bandwagon fans described as FRAKS...jumping from frontrunner team to frontrunner

We can agree that a fairweather fan remains loyal to their team,  but only come out when their team is winning.

Bandwagon fans however disown their team, but unlike a FRAK they will not pledge allegiance to another.  Would rather stop watching football....will jump back on the bandwagon when their team starts winning.

You've heard it before from both browns and bengals fans  "I'm done with this team"...to which your reply is "don't let the door hit ya".

Every Steeler FRAK I know are former browns fans. Shame on you guys.

@friendofberniekosar said:

Fair enough! Haven't heard FRAK before, learn something new every day. Seems like Bandwaggoning as I call it.

Yes, basically the same thing.  Its just that being called a FRAK seems much more harsh and disparaging than being called a Bandwagonner....as it should be.

@the-gipper said:

Actually, you have your terminology confused.   A "fair weather fan" is a person who remains a fan of a team....but mainly only in good times...when they are winning, but they disappear when they are losing...but still, they essentially stay loyal to their team.

 What you are talking about is being a Front Runner.  Or as we call them:  FRAKs.  FrontRunnerAssKissers.  These are the fans whose allegiance is essentially for sale.  They will root for a team that is good and winning, but if that team is bad, they will go and become a fan of a different team....that, of course, is winning.  

No one here really wants you to be that.  That kind of person is lower than a snakes butt.  We see plenty of those types....mostly fans of the Steelers, (but some other teams have been loaded with FRAK fans....Cowboys, Yankees, Celtics, Lakers etc.).

No, we don't want you to be a FRAK....ergo....you should change your avatar to show your true colors.

Fair enough! Haven't heard FRAK before, learn something new every day. Seems like Bandwaggoning as I call it.

@friendofberniekosar said:

Will is a cousin of Vernon. As for disavowing allegiance, that's a fair weather fan's game. I am a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan until death or until Los Angeles decides two teams isn't enough... in which case, I'm moving to Los Angeles.

Actually, you have your terminology confused.   A "fair weather fan" is a person who remains a fan of a team....but mainly only in good times...when they are winning, but they disappear when they are losing...but still, they essentially stay loyal to their team.

 What you are talking about is being a Front Runner.  Or as we call them:  FRAKs.  FrontRunnerAssKissers.  These are the fans whose allegiance is essentially for sale.  They will root for a team that is good and winning, but if that team is bad, they will go and become a fan of a different team....that, of course, is winning.  

No one here really wants you to be that.  That kind of person is lower than a snakes butt.  We see plenty of those types....mostly fans of the Steelers, (but some other teams have been loaded with FRAK fans....Cowboys, Yankees, Celtics, Lakers etc.).

No, we don't want you to be a FRAK....ergo....you should change your avatar to show your true colors.

@the-gipper said:

Are you saying that you have William Gholston, a cousin of Vernon Gholston.....or are you saying that you are a cousin of Bernie Kosar?

And, no, I don't think you have to worry about being banned.  

But....if you are going to want to continue to use that screen name and avatar,   thou shalt be required to disavow any loyalty to the Buccaneers and thereby give your oath to the Cleveland Browns.

And remember, oaths are sacred.

Will is a cousin of Vernon. As for disavowing allegiance, that's a fair weather fan's game. I am a Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan until death or until Los Angeles decides two teams isn't enough... in which case, I'm moving to Los Angeles.

@friendofberniekosar said:

Is a cousin lol.

Are you saying that you have William Gholston, a cousin of Vernon Gholston.....or are you saying that you are a cousin of Bernie Kosar?

And, no, I don't think you have to worry about being banned.  

But....if you are going to want to continue to use that screen name and avatar,   thou shalt be required to disavow any loyalty to the Buccaneers and thereby give your oath to the Cleveland Browns.

And remember, oaths are sacred.

@the-gipper said:

Vernon Gholston,  out of Ohio St.   A really big bust.

Ah, we don't have Vernon, we have William. Don't think there was a relation, don't really remember actually. Maybe?! Anyways, a classier bunch I see. I was banned within 10 minutes on the Bengals forums lol. Hope we take them down a notch to help you guys on the divisional front this weekend.

@friendofberniekosar said:

JPP is unquestionably #1. When you say "Vernon" or something, that pretty much tells the story doesn't it?

Vernon Gholston,  out of Ohio St.   A really big bust.

@friendofberniekosar said:

I once registered to talk football with an opposing team as "Greg Schiano" (who was at the time, our former head coach, kneel gate, gap tooth, all that), and was banned in about 30 minutes for no other reason that I was from another team, about enough time for me to tell everyone hello. So I figured, Bernie Kosar buys me... an hour. 

You would not get banned here for that, I don't think.   You might get banned for being so disingenuous however. The top moderator on this board lives in Naples Fla.....so he would have no reason to ban a guy just for being from Tampa.  Yumpin' Yesus...we let Steeler fans on here....though they are subject to having their screen names altered somewhat.  You could get that treatment as well for your subterfuge.

Edit:  SHOULD get that treatment.  Something like  RentBoyofBernieKosar.

@friendofberniekosar said:

JPP is unquestionably #1. When you say "Vernon" or something, that pretty much tells the story doesn't it?

well no i'm not a bucs fan so I don't remember names I heard on sunday. Who is your LDE? JPP comes from the right correct?

@clevfan4life said:

...im really not liking this clown.

The guy who drafted many of the current Chiefs playmakers like Mahommes, T. Hill, K. Hunt, T. Kelce?(not sure if they were all his idea)

and for us, Mayfield and Ward?

I think he got off to a great start. Not every move will be the right move, and Shelton is more of a 3-4 nose tackle. (Too slow)

@clevfan4life said:

u sure about that? JPP and whats the other guys name, Vernon or something? Those seem to be ur two best DE's. But yeah i'll grant you Nassib may see some more subs now. 

JPP is unquestionably #1. When you say "Vernon" or something, that pretty much tells the story doesn't it?

@the-gipper said:

If you are a Buc fan then why in the effyouseekay do you have Bernie Kosar in your name and avatar.

Shouldn't you have like Brad Johnson on there?   Or Derrick Brooks?

I once registered to talk football with an opposing team as "Greg Schiano" (who was at the time, our former head coach, kneel gate, gap tooth, all that), and was banned in about 30 minutes for no other reason that I was from another team, about enough time for me to tell everyone hello. So I figured, Bernie Kosar buys me... an hour. 

@friendofberniekosar said:

As a Buc fan, Thank you guys for Carl Nassib, he's pretty much our 2nd best defensive end now. He pretty much looked good day 1 on his technique in limited rotations, hopefully he gets more playing time.

u sure about that? JPP and whats the other guys name, Vernon or something? Those seem to be ur two best DE's. But yeah i'll grant you Nassib may see some more subs now. 

@friendofberniekosar said:

As a Buc fan, Thank you guys for Carl Nassib, he's pretty much our 2nd best defensive end now. He pretty much looked good day 1 on his technique in limited rotations, hopefully he gets more playing time.

If you are a Buc fan then why in the effyouseekay do you have Bernie Kosar in your name and avatar.

Shouldn't you have like Brad Johnson on there?   Or Derrick Brooks?

@tour2ma said:

That we agree on...

MG was totally gassed late in the OT Sunday. Ogun has been less of a factor with each passing week... of course some of that is teams being aware of him now.

We need our BYE... and it's still 4 weeks away.

thisvis on dorsey. Until i hear the man say otherwise, i refuse to beleive greg williams counseled the gm to get rid of shelton, meder, nassib and bring in who they did to replace em....which is nobody. I refuse to beleive it was greg williams offseason plan to say fuk it to the run D and also cancel out any veteran depth. Maybe he was ok with danny cause he had jamie and jobi. But if we learned anything from the hyde trade its that dorsey will throw a stick of dynamite at the roster to get his way.....im really not liking this clown.

@clevfan4life said:

im worried our DL overall is losing a little bit of its pop it had earlier in the season

That we agree on...

MG was totally gassed late in the OT Sunday. Ogun has been less of a factor with each passing week... of course some of that is teams being aware of him now.

We need our BYE... and it's still 4 weeks away.

Yes he only has 2 sacks this season and tes they came against the browns, but ge's not going to see a whole lot of pass rush ops subbing in for vernon and paul. Prior to the season i thought they'd use him to spell both sides so he'd get a fairly decent rep count. As it stands, our DE's are essentially in there the entire game...avery comes in for pure edge rushing  but ogbah usually slides to DL so its not really a breather. 

im worried our DL overall is losing a little bit of its pop it had earlier in the season