@calfoxwc said:

I keep watching that video once in a while - and everytime, I LMAO ! The way they played vs Atlanta is a big turning point.

But, Baker says "ok, guys, bigtime drive, 92 yards" and Chubb blasts past the los and goes to the endzone? OMG. LOL.

I know, I literally called it.  Ask WSS.   Before the play started I said:  "Chubb   92 yard run".  10 seconds later there was the handoff.....10 seconds after that Chubb crosses the goal line after 92 yards.

But, Baker says "ok, guys, bigtime drive, 92 yards" and Chubb blasts past the los and goes to the endzone? OMG. LOL.

@d-bone said:

I just watched Baker vs the Falcons on NFL Network's "Mic'd Up", and it literally gave me goosebumps...... We have the right dude - not a doubt in my mind. 

Classy of Ryan to congratulate him for the win.

@d-bone said:

I just watched Baker vs the Falcons on NFL Network's "Mic'd Up", and it literally gave me goosebumps...... We have the right dude - not a doubt in my mind. 

That was cool as #?^#.... Many thought we reached during draft..Not any More ..

@the-gipper said:

Yes, but I think he did so at the vehement behest of Dorsey.

No doubt in my mind that Dorsey convinced Haslam to pull the plug during the season instead of waiting until the end. The dysfunction was obviously affecting not just Mayfield, but the entire team. I kind of think Haley came in here with the idea that Hue was hanging by a thread, and he would be likely to replace him, when needed. I thought Hue should have been gone in the middle of 2017. He had proven by then he was in over his head, and not much more than a con man with no coaching ability. I thought it was good to have Haley come in and run the offense. Obviously, I was wrong.

@jcam222 said:

What do you base this on? I had not seen any reports of Dorsey protesting eliminating Haley. I get the impression Dorsey was tired of the cowpoop from both of them and the division it was creating. 

You just made my point

@the-gipper said:

Yes, but I think he did so at the vehement behest of Dorsey.

gotta find that haslems suck thread

@the-gipper said:

Yes, but I think he did so at the vehement behest of Dorsey.

What do you base this on? I had not seen any reports of Dorsey protesting eliminating Haley. I get the impression Dorsey was tired of the cowpoop from both of them and the division it was creating. 

@mddawg said:

Didn't Haslam fire Haley?

Yes, but I think he did so at the vehement behest of Dorsey.

@lodilobo said:

My guess at what happened, is that at the end of last season, Hue was told he had to have an OC to call plays for this season, by Dorsey. Dorsey STRONGLY recommended Haley, and Hue accepted it. Haley and Hue obviously clashed from the beginning. With all the losing, and Hue squirming, Haley, who really wanted the HC job, decided to sabotage the offense by calling plays that were not suited to the players, figuring Hue would be fired, and he would be in line for the job. Haley had to be shocked, when he was called in to Dorsey's office soon after Hue was fired....thinking he was about to be named interim HC, but walked out unemployed. Dorsey is a little smarter than Haley counted on. He saw right through Haley's plan. None of this matters now, thank God. 

Plausible, but not likely.  I think Haley and Hue just clashed on philosophy and that this shotgun marriage didn't work. 

@lodilobo said:

My guess at what happened, is that at the end of last season, Hue was told he had to have an OC to call plays for this season, by Dorsey. Dorsey STRONGLY recommended Haley, and Hue accepted it. Haley and Hue obviously clashed from the beginning. With all the losing, and Hue squirming, Haley, who really wanted the HC job, decided to sabotage the offense by calling plays that were not suited to the players, figuring Hue would be fired, and he would be in line for the job. Haley had to be shocked, when he was called in to Dorsey's office soon after Hue was fired....thinking he was about to be named interim HC, but walked out unemployed. Dorsey is a little smarter than Haley counted on. He saw right through Haley's plan. None of this matters now, thank God. 

Didn't Haslam fire Haley?

@jcam222 said:

I’d prefer to revel in the fact we dominated the Falcons in every aspect of the game and kicked their a$$. 

Agree, no one was picking us to win this game except Tony Grossi. I was at the game and it ROCKED!!

@stillmotion said:

Making stuff up? Hue said during the presser already that Haley had to get his plays approved by Hue. What if Hue rejected a Haley play? That's control. Any more control Hue would take playcalling back or relegate Haley into being a coffee fetcher. Hue wanted more control and influence on the plays after that day but had influence on them before. Nothing is being made up, 

Haley sucked for us, but Hue did as well, and both of their Ego's got in the way of us succeeding. I think it's unfair to blame everything of the offense on Haley when Hue was the captain and we have no idea how much influence he had in what they did. I know for sure him and Todd were arguing about what to do and Todd went over him. Who knows if that time he did, it helped our O or hurt it.

AFTER THE TAMPA GAME.

@stillmotion said:

I mean Hue said he alone handpicked Todd Haley and Gregg Williams, and that he helped picked Dorsey as well. He said Jimmy let him basically be the CEO of the team. Who knows if that's all truthful though? I know Skip Bayless suggested when talking to Hue that Hue was forced to hire an OC, but Hue said that wasn't the case at all and it was all him. Who knows if he's stretching the truth to protect his ego, or if he's fully telling the truth.... 

I do know that if Hue joins the Bengals this season, it'll make me sick.

1. Sorry 'bout your sudden illness...

2. Hue said so many self-aggrandizing, self-serving things about his role/power as our HC that his credibility is nil in my book.

@londonbrown said:

Saw a quote on twitter that Kitchens had asked Baker and the offensive line for their five most favourite plays in the book 

Heard that earlier in the day.  Great idea by the interim OC.

I play in an old fogey classic rock & roll band...and I'd rather play something simpler, WELL, than play something more intricate and be sloppy(ish).

We need a coach that can coach to the player's strengths!  Instead, we always wind up with guys who wanna be able to say it's 'Their System' is the reason the team wins.  So they 'force' the players to play THEIR way.  Here, these are the plays that I want you to make successful.  Instead of, Here are the plays that will make YOU successful.

Don Shula had Larry Csonka, Jim Kick, Mercury Morris, so he ran the ball down your throat...and had Bob Griese and Paul Warfield to compliment.  -  SB Winner

Don Shula had Dan Marino and the Marks Brothers so he passed you to death.  

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I want DeFlilppo.  

@tour2ma said:

Agree on the force fitting and egos.

I don't think that the HC approving a play list as the game plan comes together on Monday is unusual... especially when the HC comes from the Offensive side of the game.

But then most HCs hire their own OCs...

I mean Hue said he alone handpicked Todd Haley and Gregg Williams, and that he helped picked Dorsey as well. He said Jimmy let him basically be the CEO of the team. Who knows if that's all truthful though? I know Skip Bayless suggested when talking to Hue that Hue was forced to hire an OC, but Hue said that wasn't the case at all and it was all him. Who knows if he's stretching the truth to protect his ego, or if he's fully telling the truth.... 

I do know that if Hue joins the Bengals this season, it'll make me sick.

@dutch-oven said:

Sure, going against the Falcons D doesn't hurt.

But you know what... how many good defenses are there? Especially if you consider the "elite" teams this season. New Orleans? Nope. Kansas City? Nyet. Rams? They've been getting gouged on the regular lately. 

OBJ TD! Just won a FFL match up!

But I digress....

NO is the best of those you listed and they are getting better with each week. But really good Ds this season??? In no particular order...

• MN
• CHI... that's 2 from the black n blue...
• Ravens
• Titans

Honorable mention to the 'Skins and Texans.

@tour2ma said:

How many snaps was Baker under Center?

That's a good question, and I don't know the answer. 

@stillmotion said:

Hue was avoiding directly answering specifics about it during the presser when journalists were prying, just said the "system" they had was that Haley would draw up plays and then Hue would have to approve of the plays in order to use them gameday. I assume they probably did them before gameday, and Haley and Hue had a different way of running the offense, resting players during practice, and pretty much everything. Haley probably took some shots or did some plays Hue didn't like, and then the discord happened i'm betting. Haley might've been pissed Hue used a conservative approach, and didn't go for it on 4th and short many times.

Hue and Haley seemed to like players fitting into their system, but it seems like Freddie is letting their strengths play on the system now. I wish Hue and Haley didn't have such massive ego's. 

Agree on the force fitting and egos.

I don't think that the HC approving a play list as the game plan comes together on Monday is unusual... especially when the HC comes from the Offensive side of the game.

But then most HCs hire their own OCs...

@tour2ma said:

... and the Falcons' D...

Sure, going against the Falcons D doesn't hurt.

But you know what... how many good defenses are there? Especially if you consider the "elite" teams this season. New Orleans? Nope. Kansas City? Nyet. Rams? They've been getting gouged on the regular lately.